GREATWAR-L Archives

Archiver > GREATWAR > 2005-02 > 1109473361


From: Paul Benyon <>
Subject: Re: [WW1] Charles FLOWER Merchant Marine or Royal Navy
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:04:57 +0000
References: <000e01c51c6c$5a03eea0$6500a8c0@v8f43ea43f2194>
In-Reply-To: <000e01c51c6c$5a03eea0$6500a8c0@v8f43ea43f2194>


Hi Norm

Art. 1857 of KR & AI ie for RN & RM personnel advises that:

"Birth or Death.-On the birth of a child or the death of a person on
board any of His Majesty's ships, the Captain is to record in the log
book the particulars of such birth or death, as directed on form S.
544, and as soon as convenient shall send form 544, duly completed, to
the Registrar-General concerned. "

So everything points to this being a death in the Merchant Service ;
the only doubt that lingers in my mind is the mention of an official
number - you don't provide a date, so perhaps if the death occurred
during WWI it could be for someone serving on a merchant vessel
requisitioned by the Admiralty, but from the few samples of numbers
I've got for this period doesn't really match this number.

AFAIK Siris is not a RN vessel, (Sirius yes,) but I haven't got an
index for vessels hired or leased etc. by the Admiralty during war
time. I would suggest you ask your question on the mariners list
where there are people who might be able to answer your query:

Mariners. A mailing list for anyone who is researching their seafaring
ancestors. The list welcomes discussions about merchant ships, the
world's Navies, and the men who made their lives at sea. If your
seafaring ancestor worked on the smallest fishing smack, or the
largest man o'war... if he was a Marine, a Customs Officer, a
Coastguard or followed any other profession involving ships or the
sea, then this list is for you! To subscribe send "subscribe" to
(mail mode) or
(digest mode).

Regards

Paul

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:33:33 -0700, "Norm Flower"
<> wrote:

>With the much appreciated help of subscriber Sue I have obtained the Death certificate of a burial at sea of Charles F. FLOWER. I am not sure if this a question for this site as it has nothing to do with the Great War but I would like the help of your expertise.
>
>The Death certificate states that it is a "Certified Copy of an Entry in The Marine Register". It also states that "Pursuant to the provisions of the Merchant Shipping Acts of 1894 and 1970 and the Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953".
>
>Would this certificate be given out only to Merchant Marine personnel or would it be used for both Merchant Marine and Royal Navy?
>
>The information on the certificate states the ship as Siris not HMS Siris so does this mean it was a Merchant Marine Ship. Charles has an number under the column of "Official Number " of 143433 is this a Navy or Merchant Marine number?
>
>His rank was Able Seaman, I would assume both used the Naval ratings.
>
>How would I find his records?
>
>All help greatly Appreciated!
>
>Norm Flower
>Alberta, Canada
>
>
>==== GREATWAR Mailing List ====
>Members are advised to also join our community list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Greatwar-Community/ where you will be able to post photographs, access files & FAQs and engage in wider discussion
>
>==============================
>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more.
>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

This thread: