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From: Mike Shingleton <>
Subject: Re[2]: [WW1] Whereabouts of Units in WWI
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:08:11 +0100
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Sue,

Steve is correct - this cannot be done unless you find out specific
units for these men. In the case of infantry men this means battalion
information - the Manchester regiment for example had over 40 and the
vast majority went nowhere near Mesopotamia.

Before narrowing down the simple Charles Underwoods it would be as well to
have the microfiched medal cards searched to see if he has been missed
out of the online version. This is a five minute job for anyone
visting Kew and if you can wait a week to ten days I will do it for
you.

I've sent a longer reply regarding the difficulties in what you are
trying to do off-list.

Regards


Mike S

Friday, August 18, 2006, 2:40:43 PM, you wrote:

> Hello
> Do you have any Battalions for your list? Without having a battalion, it
> will be a long drawn out process to find him. POW records are very limited
> as well. I believe the Red Cross in Geneva have records but will not search.
> A pioneer was a labourer in the Royal Engineers. Regiments also had Pioneer
> Battalions. Eventually a pioneer Corps would be born out of the Labour
> Corps but not at that time. In the RE's the equivalent of Private is a
> Sapper and these are the tradesmen (and Combat Engineers - First in last
> out), they were supported by pioneers If you look on my website, there is an
> Arthur Daulman who was pioneer. www.ypressalient.co.uk from index go to
> 'war diaries'
> The Corps such as RASC, RE, RA, Labour Corps would all have been there. Not
> for nothing is the RE motto 'Ubique'.
> 1/1st Derbyshire Yeomanry - Gallipoli, Egypt,Salonika - not Mesopotamia
> Hussars- 7th, 13th and 14th.
> Liverpool - cannot see any who served there
> Manchester - 1st Bn,
> Norfolks - 2nd Bn - at Siege of Kut. Could have been in a Regiment which was
> at Kut as many prisoners. 1/4th - Palestine.
> Northants - 1/4th - Palestine
> Notts and Derbys - (Sherwood Foresters) - Only in Egypt to my knowledge -
> 9th Bn - Gallipoli and Egypt. 1st Garrison Bn - Egypt.
> Oxs and Bucks - 1st Bn - The Bn was captured at Kut Jan 1916. 8th (Pioneers)
> also there late on.
> Suffolks - 1st Bn but not until late 1918. 1/5th - Palestine.
> Does not cut your list down much !!
> Battle Honours for Mesopotamia
> 7th , 13th and 14th Hussars. Manchesters - including Kut. Norfolks -
> including Kut. Oxs and Bucks - Defence of Kut.
> If it was me , I would research the battalions at Kut first as many
> prisoners where taken. Put Kut in a search engine. try www.1914-1918.net.
> www.armymuseums.co.uk should give the Regimental which may help. They could
> have lists etc.
> Hope that helps.
> Regards
> Steve


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sue Given [mailto:]
> Sent: 18 August 2006 12:10
> To:
> Subject: [WW1] Whereabouts of Units in WWI


> Hi all,

> I am trying to find out the unit my grandfather served in in WWI. As he
> does not appear to appear on any records I have decided that it must be done
> the hard way round, and hopefully it will work. With Alans help I have
> found about 30 odd Charles Underwoods in TNA archives.

> Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Thankyou

> Sue in Australia

> A Charles Underwood served in all of the units mentioned below in WWI. Some
> would have had second names that were not mentioned. If I can eliminate the
> units that DID NOT serve in Mesopotamia, then that leaves less Charles
> Underwoods that I have to chase to find my grandfather. I cross checked
> with the cwg site and only found 1 who died, so that still leaves a long
> list as you can see.



> Also, would there be any way of finding out what units, if any, DID NOT have
> men taken as POWs in Mesopotamia or 'the desert' which I assume is the same
> place - lots of sand and heat.



> Army Service Corps M

> Army Service Corps M2

> Royal Army Service Corps S

> Army Service Corps S

> Army Service Corps SS

> Army Service Corps T1

> Army Service Corps T4

> Derby Yeomanry

> Hussars

> Labour Corps

> Labour Corps ex Royal Fusiliers

> Liverpool Regiment

> Manchester Regiment

> Norfolk Regiment

> Northamptonshire Regiment

> Nottinghamshire & Derbyshire Regiment

> Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Regiment

> Royal Engineers - and what was a Pioneer please (as opposed to a Private)

> Royal Engineers Special List (this one was an officer)

> Royal Field Artillery

> Royal Field Artillery L

> Royal Fusiliers L

> Royal Garrison Artillery

> Suffolk Regiment




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