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From: "Michael Hailey" <>
Subject: [HALEY] I wondered what kind of debate that little bit of information on Mary Anderson might stir up. I sent
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:08:31 -0500

I wondered what kind of debate that little bit of information on Mary Anderson might stir up. I sent a message to the fellow with the book to see if there was any more on the Haleys. No response yet. You are right, just because it is written in a book doesn't make it is true just as the information in "Haley & Related Families" should be put in question. Books are merely a reference or starting point for further research. However, I have no reason to believe that John Anderson is not related but also I only know of one reference to show John Anderson and John Haley together and that is the following:

1736 SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY
DEED BOOK C 1734-1742; page 143
March 12, 1736. JOHN ANDERSON of King William Co. to ROBERT WILLIAMSON of CAROLINE CO. £30 curr. 400 a. in Spts. Co., grant sd. ANDERSON by pat. January. 10, 1735. Witness: JOHN HALEY, Thos. Sparkes, Thos. x Holcomb [born King & Queen 1714]. June 7, 1737.

The above does not say that Mary Haley was Mary Anderson. In fact, I would be more inclined by the above, to believe that there MAY BE some relationship between John Haley and Robert Williamson due to the following:

1744 SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY
DEED BOOK D 1742-1751; page 166
Oct. 2, 1744. ROBERT WILLIAMSON of CAROLINE CO. to JOHN HALEY of HANOVER CO. £50 curr. 400 a. in Spts. Co., pat., Jany. 10th, 1735. Wm. Barber, William Rolfe, JOSEPH COLLINS. Octr. 2, 1744. Elizabeth, wife of Robert Williamson, acknowledged her dower, etc.

If I read this correctly, it sounds like John Haley has purchased from Robert Williamson the very same property he was witness to the sale of by John Anderson earlier.

One will notice that the second entry also states that John Haley is from Hanover. Another land transaction dated slightly after the first may clarify that:

1737 HANOVER COUNTY
(abstact as recorded in "Pioneers & Cavaliers")
Patent Book No. 17
JOHN HALEY, 400 acs. HANOVER CO., at the Great Br., by the Road; adj. [Samuel] Statham & [Love] Nuckolls; 15 Aug. 1737, pg. 403. £2. [this land is on Fork Creek near Christopher Clark, father of Francis Clark and is later to be found in Louisa].

Notice that there are only a few months difference in the dates of the land transactions. Plus, Francis Clark is the same Quaker that has two daughters, Agnes (I have been told by a Clark researcher that this was a nickname for Francis Clark's daugher Mary) and Elizabeth, married to Haleys as mentioned in his will of 1769, one William and the other John (see "Haley & Related Families"). Clarke in his will also mentions Isham Haley who is the son of William Haley who also purchased land at about the same time on Fork Creek. Isham is estimated to have been born ca. 1738.

Further research indicated that the first reference to Edward Haley living in the area that would later be Caroline County is the following:

>From "Cavaliers & Pioneers"
Virginia Patent Book No. 9
Thomas Perring (PERRIN), 300 acs., King Wm. Co., on brs. of Up. HERRING CR; beg on N. side of Machocomico Sw., just below the bridge; 23 Oct. 1703, p. 550. Trans. of 6 persons including: EDWARD HAYLES (alternately spelled Haley).

This transaction is very close to the land recently purchased by Joseph Haley in an area now known as Haley Corners:

>From "Cavaliers & Pioneers"
Virginia Patent Book No. 9
JOSEPH HAYLE (alternately spelled Haley), 200 acs., King Wm. Co.; between the HERRING CREEKS; on E. Side of the Middle HERRING Cr., cor. of White's & Baker's land; near Hill's house; 23 Oct. 1703, p. 557. Trans. of 4 persons: Phillip Johnson, Benaty Saly, Margt. Dixon, Tho. Whitton.

This property is less than five miles to the Quaker Cedar Creek Monthly Meeting house. Joseph Haley also purchased land on Polecat Creek, very close to the Quaker meeting house near Golanville also in what would be Caroline.

Moving back, it may be noticed that the first land transaction mentioned says that John Anderson was from King William. My message from yesterday shows that Mary Anderson was married in King William as follows:

Richard Anderson (Source: William Pope Anderson, Anderson Family Records, (W. F. Schaeffer & Co., Cincinnati, Ohio; 1936).), born 1681 in New Kent County, Virginia; died Bef. 1767 in King and Queen County, Virginia. He was the son of . Richard Anderson and Caty ?. He married Margaret Paulding Abt. 1700. Margaret Paulding, born Abt. 1680; died Bef. 1739. She was the daughter of Henry Paulding.

Daughter of Richard Anderson and Margaret Paulding: Mary Anderson, born Abt. 1700 in King & Queen County, Virginia; married John Haley Abt. 1730 in King William County, Virginia.

Richard Anderson and John Anderson could very possibly have been in King William County at the same time. The following quote from "Tidewater Families, Virginia" would indicate that at least one John Anderson lived close to King William in 1733:

1733 "Tidewater Families of Virginia," pgs.330
Thomas Hampton II, patented 100 acres of new land in King William County, on both sides of the middle branch of Boot Swamp, on March 24, 1725. The land was in St. Margaret's Parish and lay between the Mattaponi River and Herring Creek. Boot Swamp flows into the Mattaponi between Reedy and Herring Creek.
Thomas was living in St. Margaret's Parish in March 1733. JOHN ANDERSON (who at the time was one of the vestrymen of St. Margaret's Parish) petitioned the court to order the land owners, who lived from the main road to the county line by Nicholas Guillington, to help clear the road. The court entry named James Turner to be the overseer of the road, and that he have John Mackey, John Hammond, William Arnold, William Lucas, James Brumfield, NICHOLAS STONE, William Sanders, John Hampton, Thomas Hampton, Lewis Turner and Francis Smith to assist him in clearing the road. The court entry provides some information about where Thomas was living. Nicholas Guillinton owned land on Saddle Swamp and had patented 100 acres on Powell's Ford, which was near the mouth of Reedy Swamp. [Approximately four miles from "Haley Corners" in Caroline.]

What is interesting about about the above quote is that it associates JOHN ANDERSON with NICHOLAS STONE. The very same Nicholas Stone who assisted in buying the land for the Quaker meeting house in Golansville and whose daughter married the son of the same Francis Clark, mentioned earlier, at the Quaker meeting house near Golanville.

This leaves us with two John Haleys both married to women named Mary at near the same time and moving in near the same areas.

In a work produced and submitted last year to the Haley Holler readers, I demonstrated a possible lineage originating in Jamestown in 1623 and leading up to the Haleys in Caroline. The earliest known Haley in Caroline was Joseph Haley, I could show no children for Joseph but did show a probable relationship to Edward Haley. I believe the two John Haleys discussed strongy suggest a likely ancestry to Joseph. At least one of those Johns is not a son of Edward, possibly both. It is likely that sons and grandsons, living as they did in fairly close proximity did interact. Care must not be taken to leap to conclusions because one sells land to another or is witness to a deed, or lives close that one is father or brother to the other.

For instance it can be shown that Humphrey Haley moved in the same circles as the John Haley who also lived in Caroline and died ca. 1772 by the following Caroline will and following appraisal:

On February 12th, 1778, the last will and testament of William Chiles was presented by John Chiles, one of the executors therein named. The will was proved by the oaths of Charles Hopkins, Mary Brame, and Humphrey Haley. Anthony New, Johnson Faulkener, John Butler and WILLIAM PEATROSS were ordered to appraise the Negroes and personal estate of William Chiles. On the same date, Overton Chiles and Samuel Chiles and Samuel Chiles, orphans of William Chiles, chose William Peatross as their guardian. In October, Jemima Chiles was appointed the guardian of Dabney Chiles, orphan of William Chiles deceased, The following year, Overton and Samuel chose William Chiles as their guardian.

This William Chiles was the son of Henry and Mary Carr Chiles. William was the brother of Susanna Chiles who married Thomas Haley, the son of Edward and Catherine Haley. Mentioned as a witness was Humphrey Haley, the individual assumed to be the grandson of Edward. Also mentioned was William Peatross.

William Peatross was the son of Matthew Peatross who is father-in-law to Joseph Campbell who in turn is father-in-law to Meredith Haley whose father is John Haley and mother Mary (another one). Also name similarities with this Haley family can suggest a possible link to the Haleys in Mecklenburg. The Quaker link to Joseph Haley could also lead to naming the father of Pleasant Haley, ancestor of Edward Franklin Haley, author of "Haley and Related Families."

Now association might indicate that Humphrey would therefor be related to that John Haley and maybe he is but it has never been mentioned before and what are the ramifications of this possiblity?

More food for thought. Mary Carr Chiles was the sister to Dabney Carr and the following is a quote from "Haley & Related Families":

The brother of Mary Carr, who married 5 - Henry Chiles, was Dabney Carr, the good friend to Thomas Jefferson, who was born on October 26, 1743, at "Bear Castle," the seat of the Carr family located in the northeastern section of Louisa County, and not far from the junction of Caroline and Spottsylvania Counties.

Adding further and abbreviated:

Grant dated Nov. 22, 1779, THOMAS JEFFERSON to William Phillips Son and heir at Law of Richard Phillips dec'd. £6.5 sterling paid by William Phillips into the Treasury of this Commonwealth by survey dated 11th June 1752 re 1201 acres in Louisa County on both sides Cross Swamp located WILLIAM HALEY'S Corner Pine by WILLIAM HALEY'S from a Glade of Cross Swamp his Corner Pine in FRANCIS CLARK'S line . . . James NUCKOLS Corner large pine on Watsons line . . . (eventually back to) WILLIAM HALEY'S corner Stake in CLARK'S line.

Back again to the Quakers but now we've added Thomas Jefferson to the mix. Plus, we now have three John Haleys married to women named Mary, moving in much the same time and place.

What I hope I have suggested with the preceeding is that a whole lot more work needs to be done researching Caroline and surrounding counties before any conclusions are DEFINITELY reached. Any researcher who has information or the time and opportunity to do research in this area please do so, we need it.

Would be glad to send as attachment, notes that I have gathered and organized on Virginia Quaker Haleys.

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