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From: "J T Pearson Outdoor Training" <>
Subject: Re: [Ham] Banns of marriages
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:29:50 +1200
References: <myyPKlAsgoU$EwiD@varneys.demon.co.uk>


From Jane
in reply to

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eve McLaughlin" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ham] Banns of marriages


>
> >I don't think that there are any written documents that someone would
> >hold in addition to the entry in the marriage register of the parish,
> >prior to 1837. This is the official record that the marriage took
> >place. The banns are just a means to establish and identify any serious
> >objections before the marriage is permitted to go ahead.
> Banns are either recorded at the head of the marriage entry, or on a
> blank page opposite the marriage forms, or sometimes in a separate
> section bound in to the marriage register or by now detached from it. On
> the whole, there is less information in banns than in the eventual
> marriage entry, since the format tends to be
> Fred Bloggs and Jane Jones were called Jan 6, Jan 13 and Jan 20
> The marriage entry may add 'bachelor' or 'of this parish/of X parish'
> Just occasionally, if there happens to be a long gap between the banns
> and the wedding, a man who was of parish X may now be of this parish, or
> bice versa.
> What banns will NOT give is an indication of the place of birth of the
> parties - it is their current residence which matters. Once in a blue
> moon, someone is called 'sojourner' in this parish, meaning he is
> currently living there, but has acquired no settlement rights. Very few
> clergy are that punctilious.

++ is it possible to find out their settlement rights? and from where? I
have a sojourner in my family whose place of birth is given at his marriage.
> >
> >In most cases, a marriage takes place in the home parish of the bride,
> this is sometimes true, but by no means invariably so. If a country born
> couple were working in London, for example, they married where they
> worked, then possibly moved back home later.

++ I have found with my Northamptonshire families that the couple often
moved to the brides' parish if her family lived there, or to the bride's
family parish. After a few children they would then move to the grooms
family parish or to another where he had got work. If the bride's mother was
dead or sometimes the father then they would go straight to the groom's
parish. Presumably granny (with the support of granddad) would help the new
bride through having the first few children and then the in laws would
become too much for the husband to put up with!

> >so often the bride was also baptized in the same parish.
> Again, this may happen, but is too generalised. A person may stay in
> their parish of birth, or their family may have moved half a dozen times
> since then.

++ it is a good indication though for more rural families anyway, I have
traced one part of the family by the marriage being held in the bride's
parish of baptism even though I suspect she was working on the other side of
the country, although others in London appear to marrying in non baptismal
parishes. I guess it's an idea to try and find out Bride's occupation at
marriage, if she was a servant then she may be from elsewhere, if she has no
occupation she was probably living with parents or relatives.

> > The groom may
> >come from anywhere.

++ yes but bear in mind he had to meet the bride somewhere so must have been
living or working locally , unless it's just one of those eyes across a
crowded room love at first sight type things!

> Many girls were more mobile than their grooms, because domestic service
> took them further from base.

+potentially yes but many of them would have lived at home and gone into
work daily. On the 1901 census I have found one 13 year old who appears to
have been recorded twice (same age , name, ocupation and birthplace) once at
the family home and once at "the big house" , maybe she had a day off that
day and the housekeeper didn't realise?
>
> -- >
>
Happy hunting
Jane

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