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Subject: Re: [HARRIS-DNA] Re: HARRIS-DNA-chart
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 03:00:19 EDT



In a message dated 5/28/2005 1:59:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
writes:

If a chart can be made, then I would like to see it. I would try to do it,
but I can tell you upfront that I would violate some constraint for sure,
due to lack of knowledge of what is required of the chart to be sensible
both in terms of DNA evidence, and paper evidence.

Best,

Gregg



Hi Gregg,

The enclosed descendancy charts depict two branches of the Roger Le Herice
line, of which, these are much simplified outline charts of very detailed
original charts. There is much evidence that both branches are related. We
believe that Harris DNA groups 4 and 12 are descended from these branches. There
are 4 possibilities as to descendancy and they are as follows;

1. Group 4 is of the Robert de Herice line and group 12 is of the William de
Herice line.

2. Group 12 is of the Robert de Herice line and group 4 is of the William de
Herice line.

3. Both group 4 and 12 are of the Robert de Herice line.

4. Both group 4 and 12 are of the William de Herice line.

There is also a Hugh Le Herice line descending in similar nature and
parallel to the charts included, but is not complete.

The only test that I could devise that made any sense to me, was to take the
DNA marker results from both groups 4 and 12 and then create the lowest
possible numerical combination of markers and assign that combination to our
earliest known ancestor, which would be either Roger or Hugh Le Herice. This
numerical combination would then show only advances in markers for each mutation
and no regressions. The result was that group 4 had 4 mutations and group 12
had 2 mutations, but by changing one numerical advance to a regression, the
result would be that each group had 3 mutations of different marker positions
within 960 years.

These were created and sent at your request, for your information, and in
case you had other tests you wished to apply to these charts. For the sake of
criteria, I would say that: We know the two branches of the William and Robert
de Herice lines are related; we know that group 12 is descended from one of
these branches; we believe that group 4 is also descended from one of these
branches. I think the question is: Can DNA support the paper trail and clarify
the position of group 4?

The charts as follows;


ROGER LE HERICE OF NORMANDY AND HIS DESCENDANTS.
The Robert de Herice Line of Nottinghamshire, England. ****
A Representative Branch as One of Hundreds.
1. Roger Le Herice…1037.
2. John de Herice…1070.
3. Robert de Herice…1098.
4. Ivo Fitz Herice…1128.
5. Robert de Herice…1154. ****
6. Ivo de Herice…1192.
7. John Herries…1227.
8. (John) Herries…1255.
9. John Herries…1284.
10. John Herries…1326.
11. John Herries…1367.
12. John Herries…1400.
13. William Herries…1440.
14. Arthur Harris…1470.
15. William Harris…1505.
16. Arthur Harris…1536.
17. William Harris…1556.
18. John Harris…1588.
19. Thomas Harris…1616.
20. Thomas Harris…1667.
21. Edward Harris…1704.
22. David Harris…1745.
23. Isaac Harris…1780.
24. Alberry Harris…1813.
25. David Harris…1845.
26. James Harris…1893.
27. Jefferson Maxwell Harris…1920.
28. Thomas Harris…1952.
29. Maxwell Harris…1978.
30. Generation…2003.
Generation average = 32.1 years
This line is traced from Ouistreham, Normandy to Nottinghamshire, England;
to Essex, England; to Shirley Hundred, Charles City County, Isle of Wight
County, Lunenburg County and Charlotte County, Virginia Colony; to Rutherford and
Burke County, North Carolina; to York County, South Carolina; to Humphreys
and Benton County, Tennessee; to Poinsett and Craighead County, Arkansas; to
Kern County, California.
ROGER LE HERICE OF NORMANDY AND HIS DESCENDANTS.
The William de Herice Line of Dumfriesshire, Scotland.****
A Representative Branch as One of Hundreds.
1. Roger Le Herice…1037.
2. John de Herice…1070.
3. Robert de Herice…1098.
4. Ivo Fitz Herice…1128.
5. William de Herice…1150.****
6. Nigel Heriz…1195.
7. Henry Heriz…1230.
8. William Heriz…1260.
9. Robert Heriz…1294.
10. John Herries…1330.
11. John Herries…1360.
12. Herbert Herries…1388.
13. John Herries…1410.
14. David Herries…1436.
15. Herbert Herries…1460.
16. Roger Herries…1483.
17. Archibald Herries…1515.
18. George Herries…1540.
19. Archibald Herries…1570.
20. Charles Harris…1600.
21. Edward Harris…1620.
22. Robert Harris…1660.
23. James Harris…1701.
24. James Harris…1740.
25. John Harris…1775.
26. Nicholas Franklin Harris…1814.
27. Michael Thomas Harris…1846.
28. Robert Lafayette Harris…1873.
29. Generation…1900.
30. Generation…1925.
31. Generation…1950.
32. Generation…1975.
33. Generation…2000.
Generation average= 29.1 years.
This line is traced from Ouistreham, Normandy to Nottinghamshire, England;
to Dumfriesshire, Scotland; to County Donegal, Ireland; to Lancaster County,
Pennsylvania; to Mecklenburg County, North Carolina; to Rutherford and
Cabarrus County, North Carolina; to York, Union, Spartanburg and Lancaster Counties
of South Carolina.
James E. Hargraves, May 29, 2005.


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