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From: belva cauthen <>
Subject: Re: [HARRIS-DNA] The harris DNA web site needs your help!
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:37:51 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <003e01c5b8e3$5c84a110$1341f7a5@D8XC0821>


hello

i also want to jump into this discussion. this was my william harris, sr who was in lunenburg co, va the same time as edward harris, sr and, per marie harris key, whose sons moved to laurens co, sc. there are connections with my william harris, sr and jr both in lunenburg co, va on into laurens co, sc with the edward harris, sr family but it was not until dna results for braddock harris came back that i knew definitely that our harris families were related.

part of lunenburg co, va became charlotte co, va and this is from charlotte co, va deed book 1771-1777 deed book 3, page 473----2/6/1775 maynard harris and wife sarah to stephen harris tract of land on twitty's creek bounded by nehemiah frank, robert davis and edward harris....

this nehemiah frank also moved to laurens co, sc. he was involved there with james mc laughlin, whose son john mc laughlin was the son-in-law of my william harris, jr, who d 1799/ 1800 laurens co, sc.

same charlotte co, va deed book, page 474, 2/6/1775 edward harris to stephen harris a certain tract on twittys creek which harris bought of godfrey jones bound by james guilliam; maynard harris and godfrey jones.....

my william harris, sr had a suit in lunenburg co, va with this same godfrey jones. this certainly seems to be the same stephen harris, who then also moves via wilkes co, nc to laurens co, sc. stephen harris also died there and this is from laurens co, sc records book 1785-1820; will book a-1, page 434, purchasers included; braddock; john; minyard; and william harris; james clardy; glannus winn; james holley; etc

it is a descendant of this braddock harris whose dna was tested i believe!

per the laurens co, sc records book, this same james holley also owned land in laurens co, sc with my charles harris, son of my william harris, jr. james holley also sold land there to moses sanders, sr and it was his son moses, jr, who married elizabeth harris, dau of minyard harris.

moses sanders, sr/ jr also moved to franklin co, ga and inter-married there with the obadiah hooper family. this was the same hooper family also going back via wilkes co, nc to lunenburg co, va. it is also the same hooper family later involved with my harris family in paulding co, ga and who inter-married with my archibald harris family in cleburne co, al.

maybe we are talking about different minyard harrises or minyard family but due to the long time, involved connections and associations, the minyard harris in lunenburg co, va as part of the edward harris, sr family on into laurens co, sc, definitely seem to be related to my william harris, sr and jr and verified by the dna--------belva harris cauthen group 8; kit no 26910


Hi, all,

I would like to make a correction or two to the facts
stated by James as to these Harrises, and perhaps
add some clarity to the situations [at least I hope so!]

None of these people are my own line, but I have checked
most of them out because of their proximity to our own
Harris lines found in Wilkes/Surry/Alleghany/Ashe Cos.,
NC. [Unless I am mistaken, there appears to have been
no connection whatsoever between Edward, Minyard/Maynard,
Stephen, or Braddock Harris that I have been able to
discover, and the DNA for each of these person's
descendants bear that out?]

I might be incorrect, but I do believe that the first mention
of an Edward Harris in this NW area of North Carolina was
not in Burke Co., but in Wilkes Co., NC in June of 1778,
when an Edward Harris patented 230 acres on "Fishes"
[or Fisher's] Creek, the land "adjoining his improvement
[which appears to mean that he was established at that
place some time before this patent.] The same Edward
Harris was still living at that place in 1785, when John
Combs patented land on a ridge between Catey's
Creek and Mill Creek in Wilkes Co. adjoining Edward
Harris..

There appears to me that there may possibly have been
more than one "Minyard" or "Maynard" Harris involved
in all these records? And possibly more that one generation
of Edward Harrises?

A "Maynard Harris" patented land in Lunenburg Co.,
VA in 1771, and his land was described at that time
as "on a branch of Reece's Fork on Twitty's Creek
adjoining Robert DAVIS and Edward HARRIS."

A "Stephen Harris" patented land in Wilkes Co., NC
in 1781, the land described as "on Fishers Creek"
and bordering "the lands of Robert Chandler"
and the lands of "Jesse Porter" and the lands of
"Edward HARRIS."

The Edward Harris that lived in Wilkes Co., NC
moved to Laurens Co., SC, as did the Stephen
Harris, from the records I have discovered.

A Maynard Harris also moved there, and was at
the estate sale of Stephen Harris---but there also
appears to have been a "Minyard Harris" who
moved to Burke Co., NC.

I think people are confusing the records of at
least two different Harris generations when trying
to sort through all these records with same or similar
given names.

Don't know if this will help, but perhaps it might,
if it causes researchers to investigate the possibility
that they might be confusing different persons'
records with each other, or to investigate more
in-depth whether the documents may reveal
a possibility of more than one generations'
records being confused.

Pam



Pam


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Subject: Re: [HARRIS-DNA] The harris DNA web site needs your help!



Pat Clare,

Yes, I would be happy to provide the documentation of Edward Harris and
David Harris, but it really won't solve the problem of Braddock Harris
because
Braddock is obviously from the Harris family group of Henrico, New Kent and
Hanover Counties of Virginia and my Harris line is of Isle of Wight County,
Virginia as neighbors to the Minyard families, who appear nowhere else in
Virginia except Isle of Wight County, Virginia from 1686 to 1790.

The DNA results definitely put Braddock Harris in Group # 8 which is very
dis-similar to our group # 12. It was Marie Key who speculated that Braddock
was
a brother to Edward, Stephen, Minyard and David Harris, but I think the DNA
results prove otherwise. None of Marie Key's source correspondents included
Braddock as part of the Isle of Wight Harris families.

At this time, I believe that Braddock was not part of the Isle of Wight
Harris group, even though he may have crossed paths with some of them in
Wilkes
County, North Carolina, and he may have married a Lane and one of his sons
may
have married a daughter of Minyard Harris, which could explain the Lane and
Minyard name connections, but obviously, Braddock and David are of two
different Harris lines and if related at all, would be separated by many
generations
to the most recent common ancestor, according to the DNA results. The name
Braddock seems to derive from General Braddock of the French and Indian
War,
as no Braddock families are found in 17th or 18th century Virginia

The earliest mention of Braddock Harris is 1789 Wilkes County, North
Carolina.

The earliest mention of Minyard Harris is 1763 Lunenburg County, Virginia.

The earliest mention of Stephen Harris is 1764, Lunenburg County, Virginia.

The earliest mention of Edward Harris is 1778 Burke County, North Carolina.

The earliest mention of David Harris is Revolutionary War records,
1776-1786
and in Rutherford (Burke) County, North Carolina in 1790.

One of the problems in trying to use naming patterns for identification is
that the New Kent County naming patterns are very similar to the Isle of
Wight
County naming patterns, so that the Braddock line consistently uses Stephen,
Minyard, Braddock and Nancy, whereas our line consistently uses Stephen,
Edward, David and Nancy. If one puts them all together, then the result is
the
Marie Key speculation.

I have discussed this problem with the Braddock Harris researcher, but we
never could come to any agreed conclusion as to why David Harris and
Braddock
Harris were so far apart in the DNA results, but my own conclusion is that
they
were not closely related and the speculation of Marie Key was in error. The
name Minyard is the key, and the only source for that name is Isle of Wight
County, Virginia, but the name Braddock could have originated anywhere in
Virginia.

Sincerely,
James E. Hargraves




In a message dated 9/13/2005 12:51:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
writes:

In a message dated 9/13/2005 1:15:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

> Edward Harris, 1704-1782...Miss Minyard, 1708-1752
> David Harris, 1745-1805...Nancy Lane, 1755-1825.
>

James, could you share your documentation for these two Harris? It seems
like they belong to the DNA group 8 with the match of Braddock Harris as
brother
to David who married Lane????? At least that is what the paper trail seems
to
be saying.


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