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From: ELIZABETH RUSSO <>
Subject: Controversial Captain Thomas Harris
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:05:47 -0400


Apologies in advance, but here is what the combined file's notes have to
say about our favorite Captain Harris. Notes appear to be copied from
e-mail discussions on Harris lists and discuss your questions Chuck.
Listers, please address questions to the folks who wrote the comments,
not me (unless I made the comment).

1. CAPTAIN THOMAS1 HARRIS1,2,3 was born 1586 in Creeksea, Essex,
England3, and died 1657 in Henrico Co, VA4,5. He married (1) DIANE
MANNERS6,7. He married (2) ADRIA GURGANEY8,9,10,11 Abt. 162112,13,14,
daughter of EDWARD GURGANEY and ANNE. She was born 1598 in Creeksea,
Essex, England14, and died September 11, 1626 in Jamestown, James City
Co, VA14. He married (3) JOANE OSBORNE?15,16 Abt. 1627 in Henrico Co,
VA17,18. She was born Abt. 1605 in England18.

Notes for CAPTAIN THOMAS HARRIS:
[VAPafged.GED]

[Captom.FTW] SOURCE: THE ORIGINAL LISTS OF PERSONS OF QUALITY BY John
Camden Hotten 1974:
The MUSTER of the Inhabitant's of the Neck-of-Land in the Corporation
of
Charles Cittie in Virginia taken the 24th of January 1624. The MUSTER
of
Thomas Harris aged 38 years in the PROSPEROUS in May.
Adria his wife aged 23 years in the MARMIADUKE in November 1621

Ann Woodlase theire kinswoman aged 7 years
Servant's
Elizabeth aged 15 years in the MARGRETT & JOHN 1620

>From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. AFN 8J5C-RC, gives
birth as 10 Jun 1616. Unlikely with son daughter Mary being born 1625. -
>From Barbara Doying

>From Fran Fletcher -
Captain Thomas Harris b 1585 England Subscribed to the 2nd Va Co issued
23 May 1609 He came to the Va. colony on the ship "Prosperous " in May
1611.
On the first Va. muster dated 16 February 1623 as Thomas Harris 38 wife
Adria Harris age 23 - PASSENGER LIST Thomas Harrris and wife #3283 pp
170 also #1272 pp38. PASSENGER LIST to Va. #1524 Thomas Harris 38
Adria 23 list 3283 pp203 MUSTER OF 1624 Neck of Land ,Charles City Co
Virginia Thomas Harris, wife Adria, kinswoman Anne Woodlase age 7 , (my
note this Anne Woodlase was undoubtedly misread I believe she was Anne
Woodliffe daughter of John Woodliffe an early settler and also
supposedly related to Thomas Harris above)
11 Nov 1635 of record land originally in Diggs Hundred which became
Bermuda Hundred 750 acres lying southward upon Edward Gurganey
extending
Northward upon Joane his second wife , 100 acres due him as ancient
planter on order of the late Treasurer and Co 18 Nov 1615 and 650 acres
due him for the
transportation of 13 persons
Capt Thomas Harris came into possession of the Gurganey land by 2 May
1636 and repatented the 700 acres . Included in this tract in Henrico 12
July
1637, called "Longfield" with swamp and marshes SE toward Bremos
dividend,400acres granted Edward Gurganey by order of the court 1
October 1617 and bequethed by him to Anne Gurganey his widow , and
granted to Thomas Harris by her last will dated 11 November 1619

Captain Thomas Harris was a Burgess from Henrico.
1623-4,1639,1546,1652-3
and 1656-57 CAPTAIN THOMAS HARRIS DIED IN 1657 leaving a will which
has
since been destroyed or lost. However the will is referred to in his
daughter
Mary Harris Ligons will
Captain Thomas was COMMANDER OF HENRICO in 1640. His first wife ADRIA
was born c 1601 and came to the Virginia colony on the ship "Marmaduke"
in
November of 1621
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--
Noel Robertson-
I think this will be of most interest to descendants in America

It should finally put an absolute full-stop to claims of Thomas Harris
being
descended from Sir Wm. Harris of Creeksea - yes I know I am probably
upsetting some people by this remark -but the reasons for this fact is
as
follows:-

a) The date of marriage of Sir Wm and Alice Smith (this is the same year
that Thomas was supposedly born according to a Muster of Virginia)

b) The Visitation of Essex for 1612 (which I will scan and send shortly)
shows Thomas as the 3rd son

c) Sir Wm of Creeksea's will - refers to his younger children - William,
Thomas and John and his daughters. His eldest son being Sir Arthur
of Creeksea and Woodham Mortimer.

d) as a follow on of part 2 - Thomas' will.

Hopefully this will help a lot of genealogists in their search for the
facts

Cheers
Noël
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Phil Harris ()-

I have identified and followed all FOUR of the early
Harris immigrants to Virginia. Besides John Harris and Thomas Harris,
there is William Harris who came over with William Claiborne in 1621,
and
Robert Harris who settled in York County around 1650. All four of these
men left descendant families which can generally be identified by their
geographic migration patterns. All four of these men are probably
related back to the Harris families in Essex, England in the 16th
century. American Harris research has always concentrated on Sir
William
Harris of Creeksea as the central connection, but it probably goes back
two more generations to his grandfather, William Harris, who died in
Shenfield in 1556. I would bet that his three marriages and thirteen or
so children produced the lines to which we all will eventually make our
connections.

Thomas Harris - I don't think the 1617 Creeksea will of Thomas Harris
can
be denied. This man was not the son of Sir William Harris of Creeksea.
His connection with Sir Thomas Dale, however, puts him right back in
there with Sir Thomas Smythe and the Virginia Company. Dale, Gates,
Wyatt, and Smythe were all part of that little military fraternity that
was put together by the Earl of Essex in the late 1500s. They were all
knighted at Cadiz, and they were all involved in the Essex Revolt that
led to James I coming to power after Elizabeth. Sir William Harris of
Creeksea and his second cousin, the other Sir William Harris, who both
served in Ireland under Essex, were both knighted on the same day, the
day of James I coronation. Dale administered Smythe's will in 1615. The
Virginia Company was the payoff for their efforts to bring James I to
power. Their presence in Virginia was to get them out of England so
they
wouldn't cause him any problems. Thomas Harris most likely had some
association with Sir Thomas Smythe but it was something other than
through Sir William Harris. The descendants of Thomas Harris spread
throughout southwest Virginia and into Tennessee.

More About CAPTAIN THOMAS HARRIS:
Record Change: March 12, 199819,20,21

Notes for DIANE MANNERS:
[VAPafged.GED]

Have seen Diane Manners shown as a wife of Capt. Thomas Harris before,
but have never seen a source for this info. Here is what some of the
members have said:
We know now that there is evidence that the Thomas Harris in Virginia in
generation # 6 was not the son of Sir William Harris of Creeksea, Essex.
Regardless of that, it should not affect the rest of the information
about him. I have to admit that I have never seen before anything about
a 1st marriage of this
Thomas Harris to a Diana Manners back in England before he came to
Virginia. According to this file, that 1st marriage produced three
sons.
Does anyone have any background on this? I doubt that this marriage
belonged to the Thomas Harris that came to Virginia, but if there was
such a Thomas Harris family, then it could add to the growing knowledge
about other Harrises of Essex. Can someone help identify this?

Also, just for clarification, Robert Harris was not the son of Thomas
Harris and Adria Gurgany nor any other wife.

Phil Harris

J. Phillip Harris
E-Mail:
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From: "Glenn Gohr" <>

Capt. Thomas Harris was NOT the son of Sir William Harris of Creeksea,
Essex, England.

Also, Capt. Thomas only had 2 wives, Adria Gurgany, and Joan (possibly
Osborne).

Also, Robert Harris of the Forks who married Mary Claiborne Rice is NOT
a
son of Capt. Thomas Harris by any wife.

Notes for ADRIA GURGANEY:
[VAPafged.GED]

[Captom.FTW]

SOURCE: THE ORIGINAL LISTS OF PERSONS OF QUALITY by John Camden Hott en:
Adria his wife aged 23 years in the MARMIADUKE in November 1621 (in fo
taken
24th of Jan. 1624

[HDoying.FTW]

SOURCE: THE ORIGINAL LISTS OF PERSONS OF QUALITY by John Camden Hott en:
Adria his wife aged 23 years in the MARMIADUKE in November 1621 (in fo
taken
24th of Jan. 1624

[gurgs.FTW]

SOURCE: THE ORIGINAL LISTS OF PERSONS OF QUALITY by John Camden Hott en:
Adria his wife aged 23 years in the MARMIADUKE in November 1621 (in fo
taken
24th of Jan. 1624

More About ADRIA GURGANEY:
Record Change: October 22, 199822,23,24,25

Children of THOMAS HARRIS and DIANE MANNERS are:
i.THOMAS2 HARRIS26,27.
ii.JOHN HARRIS28,29.
iii.DAVID HARRIS30,31, m. ELIZABETH ELLIS32,33, December 28,
169534,35.

Child of THOMAS HARRIS and ADRIA GURGANEY is:
iv.MARY2 HARRIS36,37,38, b. 1625, Creeksea, Essex County, England,
(Probably)39,40,41; d. 1704, (Age 79), Henrico, VA42,43,44; m. COLONEL
THOMAS LYGON45,46,47, Abt. 1648, Virginia, Henrico Co, VA48,49,50,51; b.
, Madresfield, Worchestershire, Eng52,53,54; d. , ,Henrico, VA55,56,57.

Notes for MARY HARRIS:
[VAPafged.GED]

[Captom.FTW] Barbara Doying- Mary Harris's will is dated 18 March 1712

>From Fran Fletcher-
Mary Harris was born in 1625 in Virginia She md c 1648 becoming
the second wife of Col Thomas Ligon who had migrated to Virginia in
1641/2.
He had become the surveyor for Henrico by the time of their marriage.

More About MARY HARRIS:
Ancestral File Number: 9NQL-8S57

Notes for COLONEL THOMAS LYGON:
[VAPafged.GED]

[Captom.FTW]

Col Thomas Lygon was the founder of the family in America. He came t o
VA in
1641.
SOURCE: Ligon Family & Connections; Craghead Cousins 857; Who's Who i n
the
Bott Family in England & America by Henry R. Bott.
SOURCE: Burke's AMERICAN FAMILIES with British Ancestry:
Colonel Thomas LIGON, of Elliston, Yorks, emigrated to America 1641
/42, and
settled in Virginia, where he was appointed a County Liutenant and Su
rveyor ofHenrico County, Member of the House of Burgesses from Henric o
County 1655-56,and a Justice of the Peace for Charles City County , b.
ca. 1600, m. 1st, a dau of Dennis Pratt, of Stokes, Coventry, Wa
rwichshire, and 2ndly, 1648/50, Mary, dau. of Capt. Thomas Harris, wh o
emigrated from Essex to Virginia 1611, and settled in Henrico Count y,
and d. 1675, having had by his second wife, four sons, and two dau
gters.

[HDoying.FTW]

Col Thomas Lygon was the founder of the family in America. He came t o
VA in
1641.
SOURCE: Ligon Family & Connections; Craghead Cousins 857; Who's Who i n
the
Bott Family in England & America by Henry R. Bott.
SOURCE: Burke's AMERICAN FAMILIES with British Ancestry:
Colonel Thomas LIGON, of Elliston, Yorks, emigrated to America 1641
/42, and
settled in Virginia, where he was appointed a County Liutenant and Su
rveyor ofHenrico County, Member of the House of Burgesses from Henric o
County 1655-56,and a Justice of the Peace for Charles City County , b.
ca. 1600, m. 1st, a dau of Dennis Pratt, of Stokes, Coventry, Wa
rwichshire, and 2ndly, 1648/50, Mary, dau. of Capt. Thomas Harris, wh o
emigrated from Essex to Virginia 1611, and settled in Henrico Count y,
and d. 1675, having had by his second wife, four sons, and two dau
gters.

More About COLONEL THOMAS LYGON:
Ancestral File Number: 8J5C-MN57
Christening: ,Warwickshire, Eng58,59,60
Record Change: October 22, 199861,62,63.

Child of THOMAS HARRIS and JOANE OSBORNE? is:
v.MAJOR WILLIAM2 HARRIS64,65,66,67,68, b. Abt. 1629, Henrico County,
VA69,70; d. February 01, 1677/78, Henrico County, VA71,72; m. (1) LUCY
?73,74, Bef. 165774; m. (2) ALICE ?75,76,77,78, Abt. 1670, Henrico
County, VA79,80; b. , VA81,82; d. Aft. 1696, New Kent County, VA83,84.

Notes for MAJOR WILLIAM HARRIS:
[VAPafged.GED]

Glen Gohr, Chet Ogan and Wayne Dunn show William Harris as a child of
Thomas Harris and Joan Osborne?.

Fran Fletcher-
Captain William Harris was born c 1629 and died in 1678/79 although
it is
said that he was killed by Indians his land was escheated for
participating
inBacons Rebellion. He was a Burgess from Henrico in 1652/3 1656 and a
Major in Charles City co Va. Militia and Henrico co Va Militia . He
patented
September of 1671 1,202 acres In Henrico co Va. and on 9 February
1879
made an agreement with his only sister Mary Ligon to have the entire
profits of
the surveyors post in Henrico co Va. until her son Richard Ligon comes
of age
and after that one half the profits.
Captain William md l. ? perhaps Lucy and had just one son by this
marriage
1. Thomas Harris b c 1657 perhaps Charles City co Va.

PROOF OF WHAT HAPPENED TO CAPT WILLIAM HARRIS LAND fromthe Book of
Land along the James River. "7 May 1700 WilliamRandolph 1230 acres
Henrico co Virginia called Curles formerly Longfield PART OF A PATENT
TO CAPT
THOMAS HARRIS DATED 25 February 1638 with swamp and marshes beginning at
a creek against capt Martin, North on the back side of the swamp.
ESEinto the
woods toward Bremo W-NW on the Main River and 750 acres commonly called
THE SLASHES lying on the Poplar brook or head of the lands formerly
Captain
Daniel Luellens, E along the head of Malvern Hills late in the siezen
and
inheritances of Nathaniel Bacon Jr. Esq. (deceased) from which it was
escheated by his attainer of "High Treason" as by inquisition under Wm
randolph 1l July 1698 paid by his majesty 150L.

Notes for ALICE ?:
[VAPafged.GED]

[HDoying.FTW] SOURCE: The Abridged Compendium of American Genealogy,
Vol. III, pg 6 5:
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