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From: "betty.owen" <>
Subject: Re: [HARTWELL] Lydia Hartwell
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:38:16 -0600
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Also the Name Harwell actually has a different origin but that is not to say
that some Hartwells could have drop the "t" over time .And I do know that
there was a tendency to not pronounce the "t" in the name which I think was
due to the local peoples dialect.... but the name Hartwell goes back to
1066 and you will find it in the Domesday Book....Which I will digress here
I was watching the Millionaire show and one of the questions ask was I
believe who had ordered the domesday book done and I hope all on this list
know who and when the domesday book was done and for what purpose... It was
clear to me the poor guy was not a historian and for sure not a
genealogist....

But the name Hartwell was the name of a manor and comes from a spot meaning
Hart +well Hart was a deer like animal --- so it was a spot also that the
Hart's drank from. Or meaning plentiful. This manor was built before 1066
and burned down around 1300 or 1400 I believe and was rebuilt. A Norman
woman and her son came to live on the manor after the conqueror and They
took up the name de Hartwell meaning of that location. I think most
Hartwells are probably descendant from the 3 sons of the last hartwells the
house passed down on the wives side and the Hartwells lost direct line of
the house -- The House still stands to this day and is used as a safe house
for some royalty although I understand is in poor repair .... at least that
is the last I heard about it .... they also suspect they know where the
original manor was located on the property ....
Okay I strongly suspect your Hartwell is coming down from the William
Hartwell I spoke earlier of -----that came over with his brother John in the
late 1600's the Hartwells in Brunswick and Greenville co's are from Israel
Hartwell and his son Paul Hartwell which came from Scotland or shall I say
set sail from Scotland around 1742... I doubt if any Hartwell is of
strong Scottish blood but certainly could have married as such. Also there
may be another Hartwell family I forgot about in VA that I am not sure is a
close relation to these two families --

Betty


>
> I have been researching a Hartwell Sawyers, b. 1779 in NC, who also
> went by an alias of Hartwell Bell. He lived in Washington Co. VA and
> Sullivan Co. TN from about 1804-1850's according to tax lists and
> census. I have found several Hartwell families from the Surry Co. VA
> area and the Harwell name from the Brunswick Co. VA area. Would like
> to correspond with you and share info. I have also found several
> listings in NC from early census with men having the first name
> Hartwell. No particular pattern with the last names on these men.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin Miller
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: betty.owen <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [HARTWELL] Lydia Hartwell
>
>
> > Lydia,
> > There seems to be 2 families of hartwells in VA one came from 2
> brothers
> > Who was John Hartwell and "William Hartwell ---- these brothers
> came from
> > England and John served in the government and William was an officer
> John
> > had no surviving children as I recall and went back to England to
> spend his
> > last days and there is a will on him ----- also William married
> and
> > married well and I believe his children inherited..... William was
> apart of
> > the suppressing of the Bacon uprising and there is a written account
> of
> > charges against him....
> >
> > Another group of Hartwells came over about 1750 or so and it seems
> to be a
> > father and son I am not sure the son was born over here or not
> Israel
> > Hartwell---Paul his son and one of Paul's sons Armstead is my
> ggggrand
> > father this family is document at the DAR. Paul and Israel and
> armstead all
> > have wills to trace back ..... someone seems to have found that
> Israel came
> > over from Scotland about 1742 but this is not a Scottish name -and
> I have
> > never found any documentation on it --- the Hartwell name comes out
> of
> > Buckinghamshire... in England so if your ancestor is coming out of
> VA look
> > at these two families ---I have never made a connection between the
> 2 but
> > that does not mean there is one or that group up in Mass.
> > Betty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: slvrfx <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [HARTWELL] Lydia Hartwell
> >
> >
> > > I am searching for information on Lydia Caroline Hartwell's(b.1847
> KY)
> > parents,siblings and ancestors. She is my gggrandmother She married
> Jessie
> > O'Gwin in KY abt 1867. I descend from their son William H. O'Gwin
> b.KY
> > 1868. I came across information saying her name was Shelton, but
> when I
> > received her funeral records it states her father was William
> Hartwell of VA
> > and her mother Mary Thorp/Tharp of KY. Any help appreciated.
> > >
> > > Kathy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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