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From: Marlin Heckman <>
Subject: Re: [HECKMAN] HECKMAN DNA
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:45:02 -0800
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Jeff,

I do not understand it all but there is a good tutorial on the
familytreedna site which talks about understanding 12, 25 and 35
marker tests. In the Hickman project in which I participated,
listing Johann Peter Heckman as my earliest known descendant, the
first marker is 14. There are now three which begin with 14 but the
remaining numbers do not match. Notice that the first group of
Hickmans include 12 tindivuduals which begin with 13 in the first
marker and match all 35 markers. The second group matches about 10
out of 12 but most match the first group noted above. This Hickman
study now includes 33 individuals who have registered tests.

I have a copy of megan smolenyak's book, Trace your roots with DNA
but I have not looked at it recently. I have been hoping for someone
to show up as a match so that I need to investigate the meanings
further.

Marlin Heckman
La Verne, CA
On Feb 11, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Jeff Heckman wrote:

> Changed to more appropriate title...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Heckman" <>
> To: "Marlin Heckman" <>
> Cc: <>
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [HECKMAN] Peter HECKMAN of Northumberland RE ESTER
> HECKMAN MOHR
>
>
>> Marlin et al,
>>
>> I am still trying to understand this DNA thing.
>>
>> Am I correct in assuming the what maters is the number of markers
>> that
>> match, not which markers match?
>>
>> So, if you and I are comparing 25 markers, and the first 12
>> markers match,
>> but few of the next 13 do... does that mean we are most likely not
>> related?
>>
>> PS. That is awesome that you are going to Schwarzeneau. My
>> great-great-grandfather Peter HECKMAN started a Brethren church
>> (Salem, in
>> Shoemakersville PA) from a bible study in his home, after he
>> returned from
>> the Civil War. The church body still exists, and has split at
>> least once
>> (although they are now UCC).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff Heckman
>> Penfield, NY
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marlin Heckman" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [HECKMAN] Peter HECKMAN of Northumberland RE ESTER
>> HECKMAN
>> MOHR
>>
>>
>>> Doris,
>>> What a pleasant surprise to see your note turn up online. Sorry to
>>> hear that you are undergoing tests. Hope everything goes well for
>>> you. I have been reading, with interest, the recent activity about
>>> Heckmans online. I did the DNA test with the Hickman/Heckman project
>>> with Family Tree DNA but so far most of the participants are in the
>>> Hickman line from England. I hope we can get a few more Heckman
>>> males
>>> to do the test so we can begin to sort out some relationships.
>>> Shirley and I were pleased to be able to participate in the 250th
>>> anniversary weekend celebration last June at the Little Swatara
>>> Church of the Brethren. It was a great weekend for us. As part of a
>>> trip to Europe this next summer we plan to participate in the two-
>>> day
>>> celebration in Schwarzeneau, Germany observing the 300th anniversary
>>> of the Church of the Brethren as a denomination. The first baptisms
>>> took place in the Eder River there in August of 1708.
>>>
>>> Marlin Heckman
>>> La Verne, CA
>>> On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Doris Heckman Lessig wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> My name is Doris Heckman Lessig, raised from age 9 in Berks
>>>> County. I descend from Heckmans who were born there and never left
>>>> until the "girls" of my generation (which is quite ancient now)
>>>> headed West (except me--I went to the snowbelt of PA--smart, eh?).
>>>> I have spent 30 years on ALL Heckmans who emigrated to America,
>>>> working with several other intense Heckman researchers, who know
>>>> who they are without me naming them here!!
>>>>
>>>> I, along with my compatriots, have enormous databases of Heckmans,
>>>> and if you all will give me some time, I will begin posting any
>>>> answers I find to questions I see on the Heckman List BUT right now
>>>> I am undergoing tests for some unknown menace which is slowing down
>>>> my ability to participate.
>>>>
>>>> When I saw this reference to Ester, I had to respond now. And
>>>> before you read on, let me explain something: As I state below,
>>>> there were two George Heckmans in Berks, relatively close in age,
>>>> and I believe quite probably cousins. One George was the son of
>>>> Johann Adam who arrived in 1749, and was known as the Hessian
>>>> (wrong!), lived in Alsace. The other is My Very Own George, he MAY
>>>> have arrived in 1752; his father MAY have been Johann Peter and
>>>> mother Anna Elisabetha Lang, who lived in Lower Macungie Township,
>>>> now Lehigh County. Peter died in 1763 and *****Elisabeth had to
>>>> trudge to Easton to receive letters of Administration and the
>>>> estate was settled 22 Oct 1765. Johann Peter and Anna Elizabetha
>>>> appear to have had two daughters upon arrival in America, and 2 of
>>>> their daughters married into the Mertz family, whose lands were
>>>> very close to the borders of Lehigh county, Macungie Township. No
>>>> idea where Peter was buried, nor what happened to Anna Elisabetha.
>>>> Later I wi!
>>>> ll give a more complete history of this family and also what we
>>>> have learned about Johann Adam and Anna Elisabetha Lenner, parents
>>>> of Johann George of Alsace.
>>>>
>>>> *****Interesting to read that Elisabeth trudged to Easton in the
>>>> company of Herman Mohr also referred to as Harman Moor of Macungy.
>>>>
>>>> NOW------
>>>>
>>>> Regarding Ester Heckman Mohr/Moore, she is not descended from
>>>> Johann George and Magdalena Hamm Heckman of Alsace Township.
>>>>
>>>> There were "two Georges" in Berks County near the same age, both
>>>> born in Germany. One was my ancestor, George Heckman, born in 1742
>>>> in Finckenbach, Germany, died in Reading in 1805. He was married
>>>> to Catharina nee? Riegel (widow of Jacob Riegel who died 28 Dec
>>>> 1785) on 7 Jun 1787, and they had four children:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Christina born 1787; bp 15 Oct 1789
>>>>
>>>> 2. Ester born 1790; bp 27 Oct 1792; married Thomas Mohr 9 June
>>>> 1808; died 23 Jul 1856; buried Charles Evans Cemetery, Reading, PA
>>>>
>>>> 3. Abraham born 1793 (my grandfather); bp 2 Jan 1798; married Mary
>>>> Johnson 23 Dec 1813; died 13 Jun 1827; burial place unknown
>>>> (probably Aulenbach's Reading, PA; Mary buried with her son George,
>>>> daughters Ruth and Hannah at Charles Evans Cemetery.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Isaac born 1795; bp Oct 1796; married Sarah nee? ca 1829; died
>>>> 19 Jul 1898; buried Aulenbachs, Reading; had 6 sons.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Daniel born 1 Mar 1798; died 9 Mar 1799
>>>>
>>>> I believe my George was married before, in 1766, and they may have
>>>> had George born 1765-6 who died in Reading in 1812 of consumption.
>>>> This latter George left widow Charlotte Knorr Heckman and two
>>>> children. There is a record in Rev. Boos Burials of death of wife
>>>> of George Heckman in 1783, age 45. Thank you Rev. Boos for failing
>>>> to give her FIRST NAME!!
>>>>
>>>> My George's wife Catharina nee? Riegel, widow of Jacob, had at
>>>> least one child with Jacob, as my Grandfather George left one
>>>> spotted Heifer to Hannah Riegel in his will. I think Catharina and
>>>> Jacob may have had at least one other child before his untimely
>>>> death (he was in the Revolution).
>>>>
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