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Subject: Re: Gear at Grunwald
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:33:57 GMT
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Further to my last posting I found in, A History of Polish Culture, by
Bogdan Suchodolski, tr. E.L. Czerwinski (Interpress, Warsaw 1987) an
illustration (95) from Liber geneseos illustris familiae
Schidloviciae, of before 1532, showing one Stanisl~aw Samostrzelnik
with the banner and achievment of Odrowaz and wearing complete Western
panoply appropriate to the period.
By the way, the Bielski woodcut of Grunwald that you thought might
give a clue to the dress of Poles at the battle, also shows the
Ordenstaat forces in Sixteenth Century armour including armour for
their horses. Moreover the infantry of the Order consists of pike
armed Landsknechts, all contemporary to Bielski but hardly to 1410.
The woodcut is reproduced in, A History of Polish Culture, (61)
Regards,
John (Rohde)..
On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:43:27 -0500, you wrote:
>No. We are not in agreement that Poland was in large part under Silesian influence. Silesian influence trails off quickly beyond perhaps Cracow. This is well-documented by Polish heraldic practice in which coats of arms are cease to be pictographic and become simple and formulaic northward and eastward.. Beyond Silesia and the Warta watershed, heraldic charges become barely disguised or outright Asian tamgi (abstract geometric property markings). During the medieval period, even some western Polish seals contain no heraldic elements whatsoever, only a property mark and the Latinized name of its owner.
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