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Subject: Re: Gear at Grunwald
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:51:42 GMT
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Yes, but th borrowings belong to a period when Sarmatians and Slavs
were neighbours and by their nature - lordship and religion - are
taken by some to an iranian hegemony. There were also strong germanic
and baltic influences on early proto-slavic; there was of course no
Polish language at this early stage.
Gothic and Hunnic hegemonies would come after the expulsion of the
iranian Scythians and Sarmatians from the steppe and forest-steppe
zones.
Far from assuming a vacuum until the "Germans arrived on the scene"
one would have to ignore these later major cultures moving through and
living on top of any presumed slavic "urheimat":. Not only that but
one would have to ignore the fact that, from their earliest days, the
slavs were neighbours of their germanic indo-european cousins.
Pomeranian slavs raided Scandinavia from until their christianisation
and "vikings" settled at the mouth of the Vistula and among the slavs
of the future Russia. In the Carolingian period, the empire of Great
Moravia, founded by the Frank, Samo extended over southern Poland.
Waldemar Great of Denmark conquered and annexed to Denmark for a while
the slav south coast of the Baltic.
Slavic and Iranian are both held to belong to the so-called satem
group of indo-european languages. That is, those that softemn the
first consonant - most typically in the word for a hundred. This
division, into Centum and Satem groups is no longer fashionable -
though not of course wrong for that reason. If the association is
significant, it belongs to a period of indo-european unity, perhaps
3,000 years b.c..
I can recommend, In Search of the Indo-Europeans, by J.P. Mallory
(ISBN 0-500-27616-1) to anyone interested in the fascinating subject
of indo-european philology.
Regards,
John (Rohde).
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:23:41 -0500, you wrote:
The Polish language itself contains borrowings from Indo-Iranian
languages, such as "Bog," "Pan," and other terms, and pre-Christian
Slavic religious images show Indo-Iranian influence extending to what
is now eastern Germany. Polish heraldic charges closely resemble
those of ancient Sarmatian and of other eastern peoples. Why should
we assume that there was a vacuum of arms and other aspects of Eastern
culture until Germans arrived on the scene?
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