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From: Glenn Stefanovics <>
Subject: Re: The Russian Empire & Lithuania
Date: 06 Feb 2002 15:12:09 -0500


Privjat!

George is right about the occupation thing. I mean, the Commonweath had the Russians under their thumbs pretty good with those false Dmitriis and the occupation of Moscow in 1603. What amazes me is how the Commonwealth went from gloating over the great mass of Russia to being its practically stooge from 1667 on?

Of course, as mentioned, the XVII and XVIII centuries were a period of time when it was quite possible for a land like Sweden, with its 3 millions, to raise havoc and lord over Germany, Poland, and everyone else whose populations were twenty times greater.

But don't worry, George. Tough as the Polaks and Litvoks are in their bitterness, the Russians have the satisfaction in knowing they got the best of everyone who was fortunate enough to share a border with them!

Glenn


On Wednesday, February 6, 2002 2:32 PM, Clarenceux <> wrote:
>Gentlemen,
>
>Please excuse me, as I am new to this list, but I would like to tell you
>that I don't quite like the tone of the posts, mainly:
>>You take Catherine the so-called Great's
>Catherine, the Great should be referred to as "Catherine, the Great" and not
>"the so-called Great"! It is a perfect proof of bad tone and absence of
>basic etiquette. Finally, Monarchs should be styled not "She", but "HM" or,
>in case of Russian Monarchs since Peter, the Great, "HIM".
>
>Secondly, in the XVIII century about which currently we speak, the rulers of
>Russia should be referred to as "Emperors of All Russias" and not as "Grand
>Dukes of Muscovy".
>
>I would like also to ask the posters on this topic whether they find the
>Congress of Vienna a legitimate congress? Were it's resolutions
>legitimate?
>
>Finally, I would be more careful in comparing the Emperors of All Russias to
>rapists and robbers. The Grand Dukes of Lithuania occupated many Russian
>lands in the XIV-XV cc. and held them for much more time, than Lithuania was
>a part of the Russian Empire. And they (or their authorized people ruling
>these lands) legitimately called themselves Princes or Grand Dukes of those
>lands. So, why depriving the Emperors of All Russias to style themselves as
>"Grand Dukes of Lithuania".
>
>Kindest regards,
>George Romanenkov
>
>
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