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From: "Tom and Wendy Hiefield" <>
Subject: FW: [D-Col] Re: Descendants of Rem
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:09:25 -0700


We of the Moravian Church branch have always wondered about Rem/Rau Holder.
This exchange shows that Rem (Remmert! Remsen!), as a name form, does exist.
Comments? w.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom and Wendy Hiefield [mailto:]
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 9:26 AM
> Subject: FW: [D-Col] Re: Descendants of Rem
>
>
> Good morning: Slip in this little message - I had asked this
> Tony about the given names of his ancestor Rem. He had shown
> even ancestors with the last name (using Patronymics), of Remsen.
> Please note exchange of messages below. Thanks. w.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles C. (Tony) Remsen [mailto:]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 8:20 AM
> > To: Tom and Wendy Hiefield
> > Subject: Re: [D-Col] Re: Descendants of Rem
> >
> >
> > Hi:
> >
> > I'm not sure that I know the answer to your question. Rem Jansen
> > Vanderbeek
> > came from the Netherlands, or possibly from an area that is now part of
> > Germany. The "Rem" is a shortened version of Remmert which was
> > in fact his
> > real name...Remmert Janzsen Van der Beeck. The mode of forming
> > family names in
> > the Low Countries of Holland, Belgium, etc., was patronymic. In
> > other words,
> > the Christian name of the father was the basis of the last name
> > of the son.
> > Therefore, Remsen, was derived from the son of Rem(mert)
> Jansen, with the
> > ending "sen" the same as son. I hope this helps.
> >
> > Charles C. (Tony) Remsen
> >
> > Tom and Wendy Hiefield wrote:
> >
> > > I'd like to ask what you know about the Dutch given-name, Rem.
> > I have one
> > > illusive ancestor most likely named Rem Holder who had a son
> > named John in
> > > 1694, London. We're sure of the last name, but some think
> > 'Rem' makes an
> > > unusual first name. Rem's wife was Sybilla or Sibylla Graeff, another
> > > enigma! Perhaps 'Rem' is 'unusual' only if one thinks of Rem
> > Holder as an
> > > Englishman. Quite likely he and Sybilla immigrated from
> > somewhere else -
> > > Netherlands? Germany?. They were living in London longer than most
> > > Palatines, for example, i.e. at least from 1694 until about
> > 1710. Is 'Rem'
> > > a nickname? What does it mean? Hope you can shed some light
> > here! Thanks,
> > > w.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Charles C. (Tony) Remsen [mailto:]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:13 AM
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: [D-Col] Re: Descendants of Rem Jansen Vanderbeek
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi List:
> > > >
> > > > As some of you may be aware, I have been compiling information on as
> > > > many of the descendants of Rem Jansen Vanderbeek as I can. With the
> > > > help of this list and some traveling and various important primary
> > > > sources I now have a list of some 11,000 names. Some,
> > however are dead
> > > > ends. The following are some that I need assistance with in :
> > > >
> > > > 1. John/Jan Remsen (b. 1/23/1685), son of Jan Remsen b.
> 1648; married
> > > > Marytie Gerritse Van Voorhees (b ca. 1692). Did they have children?
> > > >
> > > > 2. Catalina/Catharine Remsen (b. ca 1695), dau. Joris
> Remsen b. 1649;
> > > > married Hendrick Remsen. Children? Info?
> > > >
> > > > 3. Tunis Remsen (b. 10/26/1716), son of Joris Remsen b.
> 1649; married
> > > > Margrietje Valentyn. Children? Info?
> > > >
> > > > 4. Catharine Aertse Vanderbilt (b. 3/1/1713), dau.
> Hildegond (Remsen)
> > > > Vanderbilt b. 1653; married Jacobus Lefferts of Flatlands.
> Children?
> > > > Info. ?
> > > >
> > > > 5. Francis/Fran Hegeman (b. 1690; d. 1749), Son? Femmetje (Remsen)
> > > > Hegeman b. 1657; married 10/29/1709 Antje Ruward born in
> > Midwout, lived
> > > > in New Lotts and Jamaica.
> > > >
> > > > 6. Rem Gerretse Van Nostrand (d. 1770) son of Jannetje (Remsen) Van
> > > > Nostrand b. 1659; married Antje Stephense Voorhees (b. 1698).
> > Children?
> > > > Info?
> > > >
> > > > 7. Marritje Dorlandt (bp 4/11/1672), dau of Anna (Remsen)
> Dorlandt b.
> > > > 1660;p married 5/1/1690 Lucas Seubring(sp)(b. ca 1666). Children?
> > > > Info?
> > > >
> > > > 8. Annetje Dorlandt (b. 1673) dau of Anna (Remsen) Dorlandt; m. Ryck
> > > > Suydam. Children ? Info?
> > > >
> > > > 9. Geertje Jans Dorlandt (bp 8/19/1674) dau of Anna
> (Remsen) Dorlandt;
> > > > married 8/2/1695 Abraham Pietersen Lott (b 7/19/1700)
> > Children? Info?
> > > >
> > > > 10. Jannetje Remsen (bp 7/27/1701) dau. Jacob Remsen b.
> 1662; married
> > > > (as 3rd wife) Johannes Lucasse Voorhees (b. 7/19/1700)
> > Children? Info?
> > > >
> > > > 11.Jannetje Remsen (bp 9/8/1706) dau. Isaac Remsen b. 1673;
> > married John
> > > > Van Nostrand. Children? Info?
> > > >
> > > > 12. Joris/Jores Remsen (nbd) son of Isaac Remsen b. 1673; married
> > > > Cataline Van Voorhees. Children ? Info?
> > > >
> > > > 13. Hendrickje Remsen (b ca 1730) dau. Isaac Remsen b. 1673; married
> > > > 8/28/1753 or 9/22/1753 Johannes Lott (b. 12/1/1739)
> Children? Info?
> > > >
> > > > Any information you can give me regarding these individuals will be
> > > > greatly appreciated and acknowledged.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Charles C. (Tony) Remsen
> > > >


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