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From: teresa stuart de rios <>
Subject: Re: [HOLDER] Johnston CO NC Militia list, who is Joseph HOLDER?
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:31:39 -0600
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Hi Bill and Maxine,
I think there were 2 distinct HOLDER lines in the 18th century, the German
line and the one from England. The ones in VA were from England (I think)
and also the ones found in the whole tidewater are of VA and Southside VA,
Isle of Wright etc, Bertie, Orange, Johnston CO NC. You have to understand
that some of the HARDIN´s did move to PA, it was not that far from that area
of VA.
A few years ago while corresponding with Larry Keith, he said the Keiths,
and Laffoon´s were living in an area known as "the New Light distrcit" which
bordered the VA line in NC. I have no doubt in my mind that you would find
Bledsoe´s and Holder´s there as well as they seemed to travel together. I
know C. Keith had land in what is present day Meckleburg Co VA very near the
NC line. I think what we need is for someone to make a trip to the Archives
in Raleigh, NC., and also spend some time in Johnston Co NC and Granville.
John BLEDSOE, father in law of John HOLDER was living in Orange Co NC before
moving to Surry Co NC, as seen by his son in law Wm Hardin´s witnessing to a
deed of Bledsoe. I think they were all living around the NEUSE RIVER in NC,
which is so huge and goes to Orange Co. I don´t know who this Joseph Holder
is in Johnston CO but I think he may have been the father of Solomon and
Lewis Holder. The name Solomon makes me think about the Langley connection
out of NC and SC.
Teresa Stuart de Rios

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Holder" <>
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Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [HOLDER] Johnston CO NC Militia list, who is Joseph HOLDER?

> Maxine, and other cousins,
> I found it real interesting that Mark Hardin was also in this list of
> Malta. Mark Hardin married Hannah Holder, daughter of Davis Edward
> Holder, and Susannah (Hardin?)
> The more we find, the less we seem to know. I believe, and will
> continue to believe that almost all of our Holder lines are from one
> family who came to America around, or before 1700. They settled in the
> Maryland - N/E Virginia area, and was of British origin.
> I don't believe there has been any proof of Alston Holder and a french
> connection. Only speculation. I also believe the South Carolina
> Holders' came from states to the north, and probably moved to South
> Carolina in connection with the War.
> Cousin Bill
> To further make you spin Maxine here are some other associated notes.
> There is a group of mystery Holders found in the Cocke, Greene,
> Jefferson Co., TN area 1790-1820. The common bond is not information
> on them, but lack of information on their beginning.
> They include :
> Alston Holder - near Evansville, Warrick Co., IN
> Gabriel Holder - went to Wayne Co., KY
> William Presley Holder (my line) - died 1830 in Jefferson Co., TN
> Alston Holder is found :
> 1800 census he lived in Spartanburg Dist., SC
> 1805 in Greene Co., TN (next to Cocke Co., TN) where brother-in-law
> Joseph Holder Died in 1799
> Holder Aleton
> Alton? Holder 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
> Descendants of Joseph Fowler
> 1 Joseph Fowler b: Abt. 1725 Chester Co., Va d: 1791
> Hillsborough, Wake Co., NC
> .. +Mary Tucker b: Abt. 1729
> 2 America Fowler
> 2 Godfery Fowler b: Bet. 1745 - 1746 of Wake Co., NC
> d: 1796
> ... +Rahab Cooper b: Abt. 1755
> 2 Joseph Fowler b: Wake Co., NC d: Cocke Co., Tn
> 2 Bullard Fowler b: 1745 Charlotte, Va d: 1799 Wake
> Co., NC
> ... +Mary Peterson b: Abt. 1749 m: Va d: 9/18/1822
> 2 Lavina Fowler b: Abt. 1775
> ... +Alston Holder b: Bet. 1775 - 1780 : 1805 Greene Co.,
> TN m: Bef. 1801 d: Bef. 1860 ??? near Evansville, Warrick Co., IN
> 1800 Spartanburg Dist., SC
> F460 FOWLER James 189 01201-01100-00
> F460 FOWLER Moses 190 20100 00200-00
> H436 Holder Alston 189 00100-00010-00
> J520 JONES Gabriel 189 10100-20100-00
> Posted by: Nita Fowler Ivy Date: April 22, 2001 at 14:04:33
> In Reply to: Fowler from TN/SC by Jonelle of 6674
> I also am searching for Joseph Fowler origally from Wake Co. NC and
> supposedly died in Cocke Co., Tn. and his son, John Fowler. Both went to
> Laurens SC. John married twice Eliz. Pinson, dau of Isaac Pinson, and
> Joseph is said to have married a dau of Rev Aaron Pinson. Both families
> were in Tn together. John' second wife was Betsy A. Moore, dau of John
> and Jane Patton Moore.
> Joseph is said to have gone back to Cocke Co and died there about 1810
> or earlier. Keep me posted if you learn anything to help us.
> Nita Fowler Ivy
> Anyone researching the line of Larkin Fowler who came to Cocke County,
> Tennessee from South Carolina, I am from his oldest son Isaac Fowler of
> Cocke County Tennessee. Any help would be appreciated.
> Make a connection? Need more information?
> Dennis,
> From what I can learn, Larkin Fowler, born 1800, was my
> great-great-grandfather. He married Martha Inman.
> His son Isaac born about 1827, was my great-grandfather. He married
> Nancy Ann Reams. His son Thomas A. Fowler, born 1854, was my
> grandfather. His daughter Sallie M. Fowler, born 1900, was my mother.
> Sallie M. Fowler married David Daniel Holaway.
> My name is Thomas Alvin Holaway, born 1939.
> I hope that this helps.
> Thanks, Tom
> Posted by: Lester Phelps Date: April 05, 1998 at 21:36:46
> of 6674
> Asbury Fowler b1827/28 SC,d15 Feb 1906 Cocke Co.TN,marr.11 Apr 1855
> Cocke Co.TN to Elizabeth Holder.His mother was Elizabeth b 1805 SC. Who
> was his father?He named his first son Lemuel,a clue perhaps.
> Followups:
> * Re: Asbury Fowler frank fowler 8/31/01
> Asbury fowler was my g grandfather his son lemuel my grandfather, having
> same problem finding asbury,s father. Asbury was capt in tn calvary
> civil war, have resignation ltr. his gravesite is in sevier co tn if you
> hav further info please share
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