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From: "Hotrum, Michael" <>
Subject: Re: [HOTRUM] Where does our research stand?
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:36:46 -0600
In-Reply-To: <4617B6C8.27744.F8EFE7@dcnaylor.sympatico.ca>


Dave - an excellent summation and, as you know I am willing to pay the $
and be part of the DNA study.



Michael Hotrum, B.Ed, MDE
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On Behalf Of Dave Naylor
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 2:21 PM
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Subject: [HOTRUM] Where does our research stand?

Hello Mary and welcome to our small (and mostly quiet) group.

On 7 Apr 2007 Mary Smith wrote:

> <snipped> Julia Hartrum(1820-1882) is the daughter of Edward
> Hartrum(1795-1875) and Mary Davenport(1798-1863).

So it seems you are at the same point in your Hartrum research as the
rest of us with this branch.

Perhaps this is an opportune time to re-cap just what we know and where
we stand with this research (comments and disagreements are very
welcomed) . . . . .

Based upon the birth locations for their children, we know that Edward &
Mary moved from NJ to Center Village, Delaware co., OH between the birth
of Amanda (in NJ about 1832) and that of Ira (in Center Village on 24
Apr 1839).

In 1861 there were two land transfers of adjacent lots in Centerville to
Elisha ROGERS. One of these lots was owned by Edward HARTRUM and the
other by Benjamin HARTRUM. We have a birth for Benjamin M.
HARTRUM of 11 May 1822 in Newark, Essex county, NJ, so it . From this,
is it save to *assume* that Benjamin and Edward were related?
Could Edward be Ben's uncle or a much older brother? And if so what
does the "Essex county, NJ" do to our other ideas!!? Sadly Benjamin's
line has daughtered-out so we have no living males available for DNA
analysis to prove or disprove any relationship -- any suggestions as to
how to obtain some male DNA from Ben? FYI his
grave is in Marysville, Union County, Ohio. ;-))

The book, "History of Delaware County and Ohio, 1880" states that
Centerville (Center Village) was laid out in 1848 by Edward HARTRAIN
and Ben ROBERTS. I have no doubt that Edward HARTRAIN is Edward
HARTRUM. I've searched all available records in the area for a Hartrain
(or other close spelling) family and haven't found one.

Last year Betty and I spent some time in the Columbus area photographing
gravestones but didn't have enough time for serious research into
historical records/books of the area. We plan other trips there for
further research as I have to believe that data exists for a
breakthrough.

Our other Ohio Hartrum branch is that of Frederick and Maria (FRONE).
Data indicate that this Frederick was born in PA on 12 Oct 1799. But he
(and parents?) must have moved to NJ for his marriage and birth of their
family from 1822 to 1830. Fred, Maria and family moved to Ohio between
1831 and 1835. We've found no evidence that they were in the Columbus
(Centerville) area -- they seemed to bypass it and continued on to the
Dayton area. So is this Frederick related to Edward or Ben?

What do we know when we look at our Hartrum puzzle from the New Jersey
end . . . We know that our earliest-known Hartrum, Johann George
(b.abt.1721) and Dorothea had at least two sons -- Frederick and George
(probably born early 1740s). George married Catherine DUFFORD/DUFFORT
and their family is fairly certain. Frederick, on the other hand,
leaves us mystified! The book, Early Germans of New Jersey, states that
Fred had three sons, Edward, George and Frederick. An estimated date
for their births would be around the 1770s -- too early for our Ohio
migrants? So is there another generation that's totally missing from
our data? -- surely some records would survive to indicate this if it
was so.

Our largest branch of the tree is that of Conrad HARTRUM (later
HOTRUM) and Catherine JONES. Conrad was born in NJ before 1765. His
marriage was in New Germantown (now Oldwick) Hunterdon County NJ on 10
Jun 1784. Conrad's descendants were quite prolific and there is
no shortage of DNA for this line! However, documentation of this
family in NJ is scarce and there is no indication how, or even if,
Conrad fits into Johann George's descendancy.

Where do we go from here? . . . . Other than discovering some long- lost
documentation, the only thing remaining to help answer our questions is
to perform DNA testing of a few living male descendants.
The results from this testing will show if there is a possible
connection and how many generations back that connection is likely to
have been. As mentioned above, Benjamin's line has daughtered-out --
meaning there were no (or not enough) sons to keep that line going to
today. In the family tree I also show another 5 lines that have
daughtered-out!! In fact there are only 4 lines remaining that I'm
aware of have living male descendants! These are:

Conrad & Catherine (Jones) -- 107 living male HOTRUMs.

George & Catherine (Dufford) -- 40 living male HARTRUMs.

Frederick & Maria (Frone) -- 23 living male HARTRUMs.

Edward & Mary (Davenport) -- 8 living male HARTRUMs.

We are planning to initially test 2 or 3 individuals from each of the
above trees. This will cost close to $200 per individual for a
comprehensive test of all possible markers. We have male mailing list
members from the first 3 of the above branches. So if they are willing
to *pay* for the testing and we decide on a laboratory for the analysis
then we can get this started.

Edward & Mary's branch is problematic. The 8 known living males all
descend through the same twig -- so we don't have another line to test
and compare to ensure it's truly Edward's descendancy.
Furthermore these individuals have shown no interest in genealogy so it
will be difficult enough asking them for a sample of their DNA without
then having to ask them to pay to test it!! Obviously if these
individuals are to be approached it will be best if the person doing so
is a Hartrum and lives in the USA -- I would do it but fear that my
English accent, wrong surname and the fact that I live in
Canada would eliminate any chance of success! :-))

There are some living Hartrum's in Ohio that we don't have placed in the
family tree -- one of these being Thomas the professor that keeps coming
up in my Google hits! I *DO* *NOT* want any on-list discussion about
living individuals, but . . . if you know where Thomas fits in, or know
of any living male Hartrums that descend from Edward and Mary then
please check with me privately to see if they are shown in the tree.

Cheers, -- Dave
--
David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada.
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