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From: "Janis" <>
Subject: Re: [HWE] OLIVE in Canterbury (was CAREE/CORRE/CAREY in Canterbury, Kent)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:49:14 -0500
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Hi Andrea:

Interesting comment regarding the fact that the Caree and Olive families
probably knew each other. It seems likely that this would be true just like
people attending the same church today and living in the same community know
each other. I'm sure they never dreamed that descendants from their families
would be communicating with each other several hundred years later.

Thank you for the Jean David Carey extracts. I think they are likely the same
person and I do know of him. Have no idea who he is or if he was in fact
related to my Pierre Jacob but since their surnames were very similar it is
quite possible that they were related somehow.

(Jean) David was married to Marie Besuchet prior to 1755 (no marriage entry
found in Canterbury) when their daughter Susanne was bapt. Mar. 13, 1755 at the
Canterbury Walloon or Strangers Church. She was born Mar. 4.

Following this date there are several burial entries in the Holy Cross
Canterbury register which may or may not relate to David. On July 6, 1755 Mary
wife of John Corree was buried. On July 27, 1755 Mary Corree was buried. I
wonder if the Mary who died could have been Marie, the wife of Jean David,
possibly due to complications following the birth of her daughter in March. I
also wonder if the Mary buried July 27 was in fact Susanne the daughter of Jean
David and Marie. No real proof that these names have been written down
incorrectly except for the fact that there is no further sign of Jean David and
his family in the Walloon or any other Canterbury parishes after this date.
Neither do I have any record of a John Corree and his wife Mary. There was also
an Elisabeth Coree buried Nov. 9, 1755 at Holy Cross and I have no idea who she
might be either. Lots of bits and pieces but no way to put them all together.

If it wasn't Jean David's wife and child who died in 1755 then where did they
go? Perhaps they moved to London or went back to wherever they had come from.
Since I didn't find his marriage in Canterbury it may be that they had married
in London or elsewhere and even had more children prior to 1755 when they moved
to Canterbury.

Cheers.

Janis
London, Ontario, Canada



----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrea Vogel" <>
To: <>
Sent: November 5, 2001 3:11 PM
Subject: [HWE] OLIVE in Canterbury (was CAREE/CORRE/CAREY in Canterbury, Kent)


> Hello to the list --
>
> I'd like to add some comments to the post from Janis <>
> sent the day before yesterday (3 Nov). This also gives me the opportunity to
> post some of my own surname interests, which I haven't done for a while.
>
> Janis, thanks for the interesting information about your
> CAREE/CORRE/CAREY research in Canterbury. When I read it, I couldn't help
> thinking that our two ancestor families must have known each other because
> mine are in the same place around the same time (OLIVE is the primary
> surname I'm interested in). So I did a little digging in my research notes,
> with the following results --
>
> Here's an entry for a baptism which took place at the Canterbury Walloon
> Church on 24 May 1752 --
> "Abraham David, fils d'Abraham OLIUE et d'Anne BROUNE, sa femme.
> Tém. David CAREY, Catherine OLIVE. Naquit le 12 avril 1752."
> This child was the eldest of four known children of these parents and
> died soon afterwards in July 1752. As you can see, David CAREY was
> a witness (témoin) so was likely the child's godfather. Also, the child was
> partly named after him. Do you know of him, Janis?
> As for the other témoin, Catherine OLIVE, there are two possibilities.
> The most likely is that she was the baby's aunt (ie. his father's sister,
> born 1715). The other less likely possibility is that she was my 6x great
> grandmother whose maiden name was POUT (POUTRE, LE
> POUTRE), baptised 13 Aug 1717 St. Mary Magdalene Canterbury
> (daughter of William & Deborah POUT) and married to Jacques OLIVE
> 13 Aug 1738 at St. George Canterbury. However, her relationship to the
> infant Abraham David was a rather loose one -- ie. he was her husband's
> half first cousin, once removed (that's according to my FTM program! --
> I could never figure this out myself!! <g>)
>
> And here's another baptism entry in which ?the same? CAREY appears. This
> one is for the second son of the same parents as above, who was given the
> same name after the first one died in infancy (not unusual during that time
> period).
> This baptism, also at the Canterbury Walloon church, was on 19 Aug
> 1753 --
> " Abraham David, fils d'Abraham OLIUE et de Marie Anne BROUNE.
> Tém. Jean David CAREY, Marie DE JARDIN. Naquit le 4 dito."
> It seems to me that Jean David CAREY is the same person as the David
> CAREY in the first baptism. But I have no idea who Marie DE JARDIN was.
> This second Abraham David lived to adulthood and was married in London
> to Ann Frances MARSHALL at St. Leonard's, Shoreditch on 3 Feb 1788.
> I know of only three of his children (Samuel, Ann Frances, Abraham James)
> all baptised at St. Matthew's, Bethnal Green between 1790-1792.
>
> Do I have a family connection to the above two Abraham Davids? Well,
> again according to my FTM program, I am their half second cousin seven times
> removed!
>
> Just to take this OLIVE line back a bit farther and also connect all
> this up to my own OLIVE ancestors........
> 1) Abraham David's father, also Abraham, was baptised Nov 1722 at the
> Walloon church in Canterbury. He was the son of another Abraham and his
> wife Susane (nee BUSINE). He married (Marie) Anne BROUN in Dec 1751
> St. Alphege Canterbury.
> 2) The Abraham who married Susan BUSINE (sometime c1705) was
> also baptised at the Canterbury Walloon Church -- in March 1674, son of
> Jacques OLIVE & Marie VERRE. Jacques and Marie were my 8x great
> grandparents both probably born in France c1645-50, possibly in
> French Flanders. I am descended from another son, Jacques, born
> early 1678/9.
> I have posted before re: the OLIVE surname. Those posts can be accessed
> by looking in the Searchable Archives, using keyword OLIVE (info about the
> archives is on the list website at
> http://www.island.net/~andreav/archives.htm.)
>
> Is anyone else researching in Canterbury? If so, hope to hear from you
> on the list...... Andrea
>

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