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From: "Howard Swain" <>
Subject: Re: [HWE] Suggestions for tracing Andris SOUPLIS
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:29:42 -0800
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Hi all,

From: "gstephens" <>
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:53 AM


> Dear list friends,
>
> I am new to the list but my wife has an ancestor, Andris SOUPLIS. Information from 1904 & 1911 articles indicate that he was a French Huguenot (is listed by the Huguenot Society), was of lower French nobility, perhaps served as an officer in the French military, was born about 1634 and fled about 1682.<

There have been some messages recently to this list about him; you might want to
search the archives.

> We have documentation that shows that he was naturalized in New York/New Amsterdam in Sep 1685 and that his wife was named Annecke. <

I am curious what your naturalization documentation is. Could you please give
a more complete citation? It does not say anything about where he was from?
Anneke seems to me to be a Dutch or Scandinavian name. So, maybe he
married her in New York. Unfortunately, the French Church records there
don't begin that early, and I do not see him in the Reformed Dutch Chruch
records there.

>The next month--and apparently from then on--he migrated to Germantown, PA and lived there and at Kingsessing, Philadelphia. It is interesting to note that Germantown was settled only about 2-3 years earlier and had a mixed German/Dutch populace. This, of course, may indicate that Andris and wife were familiar with the group in Krefeld, Germany before they departed. The couple appear as witnesses at a LEVERING marriage shortly after their arrival in Germantown. Andris' will was written in 1724 and proved in 1726 in Philadelphia and indicates that he was a ripe old age.<

Have you seen the complete will or just the abstract?
Once in a while you get lucky and property in Europe will be
mentioned in the will.

<snip>

> So the challenges seem to be:
> 1. How do we trace Andris SOUPLIS back to where he got the ship in Europe (England or Holland?)?
> 2. How do we assess if there is any record of his arrival in the country of sanctuary and what place do we start?
> 3. How do we determined if he married an Annecke before his departure for the New World?
> 4. How do we determine if he is, in fact, a member of the de SAINT-SOUPLIS family in Picardy?

If he was from Picardy and went to NY, it seems to me the simplest route
would be through The Netherlands. As far as I know, there are no surviving
passenger lists from The Netherlands to NY for the 1680 time-frame.

You might want to search a set of data called the Walloon Collection
aka Leiden Collection. This contains church records of French-speaking
protestants in Leiden as well as other cities. It is available on microfilm
from the LDS. It has been discussed on this list; so, for more info
search the archives. I would start there if you want to look for a
marriage to Anneke in The Netherlands, but don't know a city.
By the way, if you do find him in the marriage records of a Dutch
Church, it will probably say where he was born. But, I don't know if
the Walloon churches in The Netherlands show this as well or not.

If none of my ideas above pan out and you want to try a long shot, the
marriage records of the Reformed Church in Krefeld have been filmed
by the LDS beginning with 1677. I seem to recall reading that everyone
there had to register their banns with that church, no matter what
church they married in.

Regards,
Howard





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