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From: magton <>
Subject: Fw: [HUNGARY-L] Menser in Halstead Hungary
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:56:27 -0400


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> From: magton <>
> To: Helen Clary <>
> Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Menser in Halstead Hungary
> Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 10:55 AM
>
> Dear Helen,
> I doubt that the Jared Suess's book can help you find current
> living relatives in the Ukraine. It mainly focuses on the using the
endless
> genealogical resources that the LDS Family History Library contains --
and
> believe me, for us in America, it's the best place to go to learn about
the
> villages, the events(through church reecords), the migrations of our
> Hungarian forebears. It does have some sources for the Ukraine and if it
> does, the Jared Suess book will be a help.
> I have no experience with searching Hungarian relatives in the
> "Old Hungary" now partitioned in the Ukraine. I remember reading on this
> post that Ukraine-based Hungarian research is difficult. Perhaps people
on
> our post may volunteer a guide or tips for Helen?
>
> ----------
> > From: Helen Clary <>
> > To: magton <>
> > Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Menser in Halstead Hungary
> > Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 1:51 AM
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I am new at trying to locate Hungarian relatives (hopefully some will
> still
> > be alive). about 3 months ago I put out a query in the Ukraine and
> Hungary.
> > I never got a reply, will the book you mentioned here (Jared Suess's
> > "Hungarian Records Genealogy Guide") help me? If so, where can I obtain
a
> > copy? I am helping a good friends of mine try to find their ancestors
> from
> > Hungary and the part of Hungary that is now in the Ukraine. Where
would
> be
> > the best place to send a query? I have had great luck in the US, but
> can't
> > seem to get any response from there. If you can give me any pointers,
I
> > would really appreciate it. My friends do not have a computer and they
> have
> > written letters to the Ukraine (not sure what government), but after a
> > couple of months, received a letter back that they would not release
any
> > information about the Hungarians in the Ukraine. I just do not know
what
> to
> > do to help them. Thanks.
> >
> > Helen Clary
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magton <>
> > To: <>
> > Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 8:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Menser in Halstead Hungary
> >
> >
> > >It's interesting how different nationalities will "settle" in another
> > >country and either retain their own identity for a few generations or
> they
> > >will intermarry with the natives and become , as they say with the
> English
> > >settlers in Ireland, "More Irish than the Irish!"
> > >But if I recall, your MENSER married a HORA (Slovak? Hungarian?) and
> your
> > >Menser may have German origins but he was Hungarian and grew up a
> Hungarian
> > >citizen of Austria- Hungary. It was on his naturalization records.
> > >It would be interesting to see how many generations the MENSERS kept
> their
> > >German roots through out their lives in Hungary.
> > >
> > >One suggestion: You mentioned that they were Catholic but when you
look
> at
> > >the church records from the village, you may want to start with the
> > >Catholic records because he may have converted from the(German)
> Lutheran
> > >religion to the more Hungarian Catholic religion when he married .If
he
> > >doesn't show up in the Catholic records, look for the nearest Lutheran
> > >Church.
> > >At the LDS Family History Library, they have the Magyarorszag
> > >Helysegnevtara(Gazetteer of Hungary) - Film# 844,957 and the one that
> helps
> > >locate nearest churches and the German name changes for a given town
is
> > >Janos Dvorzsak's Gazetteer - Film# 599564.
> > >
> > >I would also get Jared Suess's" Hungarian Records Genealogical Guide."
> > >----------
> > >> From: hobnail <>
> > >> To:
> > >> Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Menser in Halstead Hungary
> > >> Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 10:16 PM
> > >>
> > >> Hello Brenda,
> > >>
> > >> If you have gone to that web site, you know now why they must be
> > >> Germans. Menser seems to be a German name. They were officially
> > >> Hungarian citizens, but in their hearts and minds they were 100%
> German.
> > >> They probably settled in Hungary in the mid 1700's and still spoke
> > >> German through WWII. I have been writing letters to a cousin in
> Hungary
> > >> who stated that now they are no longer Germans--they are now
> Hungarians.
> > >> This only took 250 years!
> > >>
> > >> Janice
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Janice,
> > >> > Can you explain a tiny bit why that everyone says they must be
> Germans.
> > >> > They were born in Hungary (or Nickolas was). I am learning here
so
> I
> > >hope you
> > >> > dont mind my question.
> > >> > Thanks so much for the web site address. I am going there now.
> > >> > Brenda
> > >
> > >

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