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From: "Laszlo & Monika APATHY, III" <>
Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Re: HUNGARY-D Digest V00 #175
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:30:43 -0400
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wrote:
> Hi, My name is Joseph Nemeth. I am looking for any information on my
> relatives. My father (Joseph Nemeth) was born in Peterhida, Hungary, Somogy
> County. Close to rhe town of Barcs. His fathers name was Miklos. Would like
> info. on Catholic Churches and Cemeteries. Thanks, Joe Nemeth

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Kedves Joe Nemeth Hungarian genealogy & family history researcher,

There is lots of information on the Nemeth family. It is a VERY common
Hungarian name and are all over Hungary. Are you related to the
football player Joe Nemeth? Perhaps others on the list can better help
with the area you are reseaching. I do have some general information
that might help with your Hungarian genealogy research.

There is an excellent, most informational research paper back book (8½"
X 11") called "HANDY GUIDE TO HUNGARIAN GENEALOGICAL RECORDS" by Jared
H. Suess, published by Everton Publishers, Inc., PO Box 368, Logan, UT,
84321-0368, Tel: 800-443-6325, URL: http://www.everton.com Cost is
$6.50 ("no" S&H) and also helps with translating Hungarian & Latin
(official language of the Roman Catholic Church) you will encounter in
researching Hungarian genealogy records. It has a tiny history of
Hungary, several pages on the language of Hungary with the alphabet and
grammar rules, & examples from parish registers. From the catalog,
personal names and translations for male & female, AND many pages of
Hungarian words translated into English, a couple of pages of (VERY
VALUABLE) Latin words translated into English and a couple pages of
German words translated! It also has the German, Russian, Serbian and
Croatian alphabets! Both have been VERY valuable to me. My copy is 10+
years old, but I know that they still sell them. One may also order it
from Genealogy Unlimited, PO Box 537, Orem UT. 84059-0537, Tel:
800-666-4363, email: The price is the same, except
there is a $4.50 S&H charge. By the way, you can also find an excellent
"Hungarian words & phrases" website at:
http://www.bmi.net/jjaso

Highly recommend, & it is GRRRRREAT, the HUNGARIAN GENEALOGY website
with research list on FEEFHS (Federation of East European Family History
Societies) the URL address is: http://www.feefhs.org/ah/hurl.html
There are LOTS of links to other sites on the FEEFHS server. URL address
is: http://www.feefhs.org/

I also STRONGLY suggest the following Hungarian genealogy EXPERT in
Budapest Hungary.
George Eotvos, Partner & Research Director of FAMILY TREE Ltd.,
Genealogical Research Bureau
Member of the National Genealogical Society (USA) Tel: 36-1-212-7524
FAX: 36-1-212-6324 Email: Hungarian Roots List
- URL: http://www.familytree.hu

Another valuable source is the Hungarian Telephone directory…. That's
right, the entire country of Hungary names, addresses, telephone
numbers, and occasionally occupation, at your fingertips. The URLs are:
http://www.matav.hu/tudakozo/index_e.html & http://www.netx.hu/tel/

HUNGARY-L & Hunroots-- A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or
historical interest in Hungary including the lands that were formerly
part of Hungary within the Austria-Hungary Empire. To subscribe, send
email to: &

The BANAT GENEALOGY website mailing & research list:
http://www.feefhs.org/banat/frgbanat.html or
http://www.feefhs.org/banat/bdb/townban.html
also: http://german.genealogy.net/gene/reg/ESE/dsinfo.htm
are "devoted primarily to the German settlers (1748-1835) in the Banat
area, formerly part of the Austrian Empire and now divided among
Romania, Yugoslavia and Hungary. The Banat comprised the Hungarian
counties of Torontal, Temes and Krasso-Szereny, which lie north of the
Danube, east of the Tisza/Tisa and south of the Maros Rivers." This is
an extremely well organized site with a Map Room, name-search engine,
and other information-packed features compiled by dedicated
genealogists.
BANAT-L -- A mailing list for those doing research in the Banat region
of what was formerly Hungary. To subscribe, send email to:


In May 1999, Mormons offered Family Records Online. The church put its
400-million-name genealogy database on the Web. Your best bet is to
start with a new site developed and maintained by the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) Church. The site provides free access
to the church's genealogy database of more than 400 million names,
making it one of the largest family history research sites on the
Internet. Ancestry.com, for example, lists some 240 million names; it
also charges fees to access its database. At FamilySearch, you can
narrow your search by entering the name of a relative as well as the
names of his or her parents. The site searches through the Mormon
Church's online database as well as thousands of other genealogical Web
sites. The results are listed together for easy review. The external
sites are prequalified by the church for their quality and content,
according to Mike Otterson, director of media relations for Mormon
Church in Salt Lake City. "This is the first time we've put our family
history data online," Otterson says. Previously, the church's
genealogy resources were available on CD-ROM or from any of its 3600
Family History Centers located around the world. The database is not
confined to members of the Mormon Church, Otterson notes. "We've been
forerunners of family history research for a century or more and have
always believed in making our records available to the public as well as
to church members," Otterson says. The FamilySearch site is financed by
the LDS Church. While access to its resources is free now, the church
has not decided how long that will be the case. The site has already
received more than 250,000 hits during its testing phase, putting it on
track to be one of the Web's most popular sites. The URL is:
http://www.familysearch.org or http://www.familysearch.com

We have found the Family History Library Catalogue online version
quicker and more easily understood than the CD version as well. I have
learned about references to materials which I would have never found
trying to use the CD version - and I could do it from the comfort of my
home at a time that was convenient for me, without watching the clock
and wondering if my allotted time on the FHC computer was about to
expire. To get to the Search Catalogue, so to URL:
http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp
1.) PLACE SEARCH - Cataloging system used by LDS is based on knowing
what place you are interested in (as opposed to a topic like most
indexing systems). Therefore, for any town, village, country, county
etc. just click on the PLACE SEARCH icon. When the page opens, type in
the place. I have found that leaving the "part of" option blank, gets
better results. I have used this feature in fact to learn just what
country a village was in - since as we all know those European borders
moved quite a bit. The rest should be fairly self-explanatory, except
for one item. After you find an item of interest, for example, CHURCH
RECORDS, always click on the VIEW FILM NOTES icon at the top of the
frame. This will provide a detailed listing of each microfilm and its
contents. Print this list and use it for ordering your films/fiche at
the FHC.
2.) SURNAME SEARCH - Fairly obvious, but remember this is not the IGI or
AGI database. The library catalogue is a separate library of
information….think of it as the old library card catalogue file system
in all those tiny boxes.
3.) ALL SEARCHES - This screen gives you all the options - just click on
the icon that matches your needs - author search, or use the
microfilm/fiche search if you have a film/fiche number you want to look
up, or search for books and films by place or surname etc.

The LDS web site is a very powerful tool - and the FAMILY HISTORY
LIBRARY the most powerful of all. Knowing how to do searches for
information may provide you with research materials that you may not
have thought about using.

You may want to check your telephone book for a Family History
Center/Library (FHC/L). They are listed in the White or Yellow Pages
under "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (LDS/Mormon). Ask
them if they have a library, if not; ask where the nearest one is
located. These are all over! Even if it is an hour trip to one, don't
hesitate. They have Hungarian Church records on microfilm! You can
order the record you need, after checking their catalog, for about $3.50
mailing cost. It takes about 2 to 3 weeks and then they contact you
that it is in and you get about a month to look at the microfilm. If
you need more time, the microfilm can be renewed for a small fee. The
volunteers will help you. Check for the hours, some are open on
Saturdays and some have evening hours as well. The Hungarian Collection
of microfilm is quite extensive so using the center is extremely
worthwhile. Costs do increase - Canada is more expensive than U.S. and
I can understand that Australia would be higher still. But it is better
than the old way of dealing with the Archives and before that not having
access to the records at all. Don't pass up a great opportunity to be
able to view the old records yourself. It is a major rush when you find
them! You only need to learn a few words here and there to get you by
in Hungarian and Latin to be able to know what each record are/is.

Again, may I strongly suggest/advise that you contact the nearest branch
"Family History Center (FHC)" located at the closest LDS Church. There
are over 600+ branch libraries in the USA. They have a ton of
information/data, much of it on CD-ROM, microfilm, microfiche, etc. To
find the nearest branch library, look in the yellow pages under
"Churches, Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, & FHC". Again, it IS an
EXCELLANT resource, and I highly recommend you check them out. The
people are extremely helpful and courteous. There is no cost to use the
facilities, computers, CD's, microfilm/microfiche, etc. The only cost
is if you order microfilm from the main genealogy library from Salt Lake
City Utah. It is the LARGEST genealogy resource in the world... by
far. The cost is minimal and well worth the information.

Finally, IF you have a bit of an idea where your places are and what Old
Hungary county it was in, there are very good and detailed maps of old
Hungary , and its counties at: http://lazarus.elte.hu/gb/gbindex.html
Go to green WebWorld section, then click onto Maps on the Hungarian Web,
the maps are large and take a minute or two to download but are well
worth the wait.

In conclusion, if you are looking for a genealogy program to record all
your vital statistics, notes, etc., I suggest "Personnal Ancestral File
(PAF) v4.0.4" offered by both the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints (Mormon or LDS) Church & FamilySearch. It is GRRRREAT! Personal
Ancestral File is a very popular genealogy program. One reason for its
popularity is its price: the program is free. You can download it
directly from (just point-click or copy-paste… trust me!):
http://www.ldscatalog.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=369179&prmenbr=1402&CGRY_NUM=373032&RowStart=1&LocCode=FH

Good Luck and happy hunting, Udvozol,
Laszlo "Laci/Les"

PS: Researching APATHY, APATI, SEBESI(Y), UGRON, JAKABHAZY, LASZLO,
PAKOT, SZOBOSZLAI, KUTI, HORVATH, STERZ, KAPOSI , JURKOVITS, ……….……….

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* WWWW/W4 - "Wiebelt-Wetzel-Weibel-Wood" of Rhine-Pfalz/Palatinate,
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