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From: "tony szachury" <>
Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] ReDigest V02 #406-Soltesz/Matisz
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:14:32 -0500
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Morning all;
Believe Linda said it right. I have one branch that had names that I
couldn't figuire,till I found this persons last marriage certificate. Seems
he had a divorce,a death and his 3rd marriage in a 12 year span. Not all the
pomp and circumstance in "the good old days" like we are sometimes led to
believe. Tony

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Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] ReDigest V02 #406-Soltesz/Matisz


> In a message dated 11/7/2002 9:50:45 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> writes:
>
> << On his baptism record, his father is listed as a Joseph Soltesz. Just
> three
> weeks later (yes WEEKS!) his mother marries another man, Steve Matisz, >>
>
> Hi
>
> I just wanted to comment that quick marriages after the death of a spouse
> were not at all uncommon, in fact, they were the normal thing to do. I
don't
> interpret this set of facts as indicating (by themselves) that any type of
> 'hanky panky" so to speak was going on at all. Although you don't mention
> any years, the practice of marrying very soon after being widowed was done
> all the time, but of course declined as single parents found it
economically
> feasible to raise children. Marriages were not generally for love, they
were
> either arranged, or undertaken for very practical reasons like preserving
the
> family when male/females roles were very much defined. They were about
money
> and survival. What else was a mother with small children supposed to do
> EXCEPT get married again. What was a widower with small children supposed
to
> do except find another women to care for his children? Anyone who has
> researched the old church records can tell you that remarriages within
days,
> weeks, or a few months were a common occurrence among the common folk.
>
> The 'hush hush" of the Aunt could have been for any number of reasons -
> including the possibility that she adhered to some sort of folklore belief
> about not talking about the dead. People lived with different behavior
rules
> and beliefs that guided how they behaved than what WE generally follow
today.
> It does not automatically mean that some sort of shady situation existed
I
> don't believe.
>
> The evidence that your ggf received mail from both families and both
called
> him brother would make sense in a family of *step* siblings. Of course, I
> don't know all the details, and it seems that there is the added confusion
of
> some folks being on this side of the pond, and some of the family being in
> Hungary?? so this complicates the picture for sure. I suspect you have
> already attempted to do this, but finding a marriage document to Soltesz,
> finding his death record and especially an obituary record (did it occur
here
> in USA?), would help clear things up. How about a burial record in
cemeteries
> at this location? One would normally think his death may have occurred in
> same locale as birth of your grandfather and remarriage of his mother.
> (again, I'm assuming that all the players in these events were on the same
> side of the pond) Did they live anywhere in the USA where you could
research
> City Directories to perhaps find Soltesz name listed to prove he existed?.
> Maybe a county court (if death was here in the US) might have a probate
> record after his death. Was he by any chance alive and therefore required
to
> register in the 1917 draft in the USA (ALL men of required age had to do
this
> - alien or otherwise) because if so, you can obtain this registration
which
> will give details of any wife or children. These are ***just guesses***
of
> course in the absence of knowing any timeframes for your families
events --
> and guesses that someone somewhere was in the USA, which they might not
have
> been. If you know for sure that the letters were from people in Hungary,
is
> a village location given and do the church or civil records there have any
> more info on Soltesz marriage or death?
>
> Anyway, you may have already attempted all of the above, but if not, maybe
> the ideas or the approach will spur you past the brickwall. Hope you have
> success.
>
> Linda
>

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