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From: Jean-Benedict de SAUSSURE <>
Subject: Re: [Huguenot-L] FORCE / de Force / Caumont de la Force
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:35:04 +0200


Bonjour,
I have no datas about CAUMONT LA FORCE. Would you like me to give you the
street adresses of their living descendant in France (source: Bottin
Mondain 1998) if you want to ask them if they know of their american cousins?

JBS

Le lundi 5 octobre 1998, 18:42 +0000, Lance Bretsnyder <"lancebret
"@primary.net> ecrivait:

>Is there a connection between Jacques Nompar Caumont, duc de la Force
>(1559-1652), and a Mathew Force who married Elizabeth Palmer in New
>York in April 1667 & thereafter lived in Gravesend, Long Island, New
>York, and New York City?
>There are numerous traditions among the descendants of Mathew Force that
>he was of French Huguenot descent if not a French Huguenot pioneer
>himself as early as 1660 in the New York City/ New Amsterdam area. One
>researcher found evidence of a Mathew deForce having arrived in New
>Netherlands as early as 1640 although I have not been able to determine
>his source. It also appears that the surname as "de la Force" was still
>in use by Mathew's descendants in the early 1700's in New Jersey. Some
>of his nineteenth century descendants even used the name "Caumont" as a
>middle name, although that may have been a pretension on their part.
> In fact, among the members of the Force family that settled in
>western New York State in the late 1700's, there was a tradition that
>indicated that the St. Bartholomew Massacre precipitated the ancestor
>leaving France. Another tradition from a southern branch of the family
>asserted that Pierre LaForce was the Huguenot ancestor who left France.
> Is there any basis for believing that either an immediate member of
>Jacques Nompar Caumont's family or that of his father's, Francois
>Caumont, left France for either England, the Netherlands, or the New
>World? I have not been able to determine the names of all of their
>children with local sources.
> And has anyone ever come across a European record mentioning Mathew
>Force?
> I was intrigued to discover that the Duke of LaForce did lead French
>forces in Italy and Germany during the 30 years war and that there was a
>record of a soldier named "Thomas Vorst" who was set to leave Bremen for
>New Netherlands in the mid-1600s'. However, other than my forebear
>Mathew having a son named Thomas Force who lived in Westchester Co., NY,
>I have not come across any American record of a Thomas Force/Vorst in
>New Netherlands/New York.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Sincerely yours,
>Lance Bretsnyder
>
>

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