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From: "swtheron" <>
Subject: Re: [Huguenot] Question:
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:28:34 +1200

In most wars atrocities are committed on more than one side, but this bit of
"philosophy" does not minimise the facts and issues of history. If one
smooths over these issues, history is deformed to fit our "modern
mind-twists", but for the heirs of the "faith once delivered to us" it is
treachery!

Reliving our genealogical roots and the ideals for which they lived and
died, may not be resentful and bitter because that is negating the very
faith that propogates the love of God, it may no be forgetful of God's grace
in bygone ages because we need that same grace today to withstand similar
pressures to compromise, and it may bring in remembrance those atrocities
that should in all sincerity be forgiven fort Christ's sake!

Forgive a bit of modern history: "In 1988 Dr Stanley W Theron had the high
privilege on behalf of the Dutch Reformed Church in SA of attending a
Reformed theological retreat in the RC convent de la Bussiere near the city
of Lyons and of symbolically handing a newly translated and published
"Catechisme de Geneve" to the Dean of History of the Free Reformed Faculty
of Aix-en-Provence. He stated that this was to symbolise the spiritual
riches that a whole nation in Africa owes to the French Church, the Church
of the Huguenots. This symbol was accepted with the word that Calvin was
being brought back to France!"
The "Catechisme de Geneve" was Calvin's attempt to bring reconciliation
between the differing parties of his day - even as his Institutes addressed
the King and country of his day!

Stanley W Theron

On that day he
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> Are you searching Soblet/Sublette? This is one of my lines that I have
information
> on will be happy to share/exchange information.
> harriett/arizona
>
> J. Marvin Chastain wrote:
>
> > I tend to agree with AmyAnn and if two lists are created, I will
> > subscribe to both. However, I am a history buff and the history is as
> > important as the genealogy. I realize not everyone is that interested in
> > history. Certainly, there is no sense in criticizing today's catholics
> > for the excesses of the past. Injustices were done to our ancestors and
> > that was a crime by people long dead against people long dead and not to
> > be blamed on anyone living today. We should not forget that those events
> > of the past are why we are blessed with citizenship in the country all
> > the world envys.
> >
> > Marv Chastain (Chastain, Soblet/Sublette, Faure/Ford, Bondurant,
> > Martain/Martin, Garriott)
> >
> > AmyAnn wrote:
> > >
> > > I just can't imagine this issue even coming up on a rootsweb list.
How can
> > > one divide a discussion of genealogy from history? And how can one
divide
> > > the genealogical discussion of Huguenots from religion? Historical
> > > religious issues were what made them Huguenot!
> > >
> > > We are not discussing a "Huguenot" as a surname where what the
individuals
> > > had in common was that surname. Huguenot's were "Huguenot" because of
the
> > > history and religious views of THEIR day - there was no other common
bond.
> > > Though some on the list may be members of "Reform" churches, I doubt
that
> > > any today are Huguenot as that is a word with historical distinction
and no
> > > present day distinction - apart from a social group dedicated to
keeping
> > > the historical distinction as part of history and not deleted due to
some
> > > who find that part of history distasteful. History is often times
> > > distasteful, however if we don't remember then we are bound to the old
> > > adage, history repeats itself.
> > >
> > > If you want one list where only names and dates are allowed then might
I
> > > suggest the list will end up useless for even genealogy research.
> > > Genealogy is history, sorry if that seems politically incorrect, but
often
> > > facts are politically incorrect (actually more often than not), which
is
> > > why so many want a revisionist history. The revisionist version is
that
> > > the Huguenots while they held some religious beliefs, came to the new
world
> > > for the prosperity and vast riches it offered them. This is hog wash!
> > >
> > > And a rootsweb list which doesn't allow historically accurate
discussions
> > > has lost it's value period. I don't want a play list of "created"
> > > ancestors, I want truth. Truth is what is sacrificed here.
> > >
> > > I agree that when some get into present day religious discussions it
should
> > > be taken off list. I personally have taken discussions off the list
when
> > > they became non-list related. However historical persecution of one
group
> > > by another, while maybe not politically correct to discuss, it is also
not
> > > in anyway bigoted. Those who complain that it is are just showing
that
> > > they are the ones who are bigoted and intolerant because they do not
like
> > > the lessons taught by history and therefore don't wish any to hear
those
> > > lessons.
> > >
> > > Catholics persecuted, torchured and killed Huguenots (a name the
Huguenots
> > > didn't even give themselves from the research I have done). This is a
> > > historically valid discussion for this list. Now if the present day
> > > Catholic denomination is persecuting people, that discussion should
go to
> > > a political , current events and/or religious mailing list. As should
> > > present day persecution of the Catholic denomination in various area's
of
> > > the globe. However this is a Huguenot mailing list and I would think
that
> > > what makes the Huguenot's Huguenot would be a valid discussion for the
> > > list. If someone doesn't want to understand even where the term
Huguenot
> > > came from, then rootsweb has many lists including ones from the areas
of
> > > France were your Huguenot ancestors came from. While "Huguenots"
might be
> > > discussed on those lists (and they are as I am a member of them and
have
> > > seen it brought up) it will be more a discussion of geographic and
local
> > > history which will also help you locate your ancestors.
> > >
> > > I guess what it boils down to for me is, if one objects or takes
offense at
> > > a discussion of Huguenot's and who they were, then why are they on a
> > > HUGUENOT mailing list?? I don't get it? If it is because they feel
some
> > > historical guilt for what their current denomination did to their own
> > > ancestors 500 years ago... well get over it, no one is responsible
today
> > > for what happened 500 years ago, or 200 years ago or 100 years ago.
We are
> > > only responsible for our own lives and our own society. No one should
take
> > > offense at historical fact, as no one should take offense at truth,
but we
> > > all should learn from it and NEVER forget the lessons taught.
> > >
> > > AmyAnn
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:36 PM 03/24/00 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >It's been suggested to me that the listmembers of the Huguenot list
might
> > > >like to split the discussion into two lists-- leave Huguenot-L for
strictly
> > > >genealogical discussion, and create a Huguenot-Chat list for probing
some of
> > > >the religious issues, historical issues, etc. Therefore, folks who
didn't
> > > >want to participate in such chat could avoid it, and those who wanted
to
> > > >pursue it wouldn't continually be being hushed by others.<g>
> > > >
> > > >Question #1: What think you of this suggestion?
> > > >
> > > >Question #2: Is there anyone on this list who'd like to admin the
chat list?
> > > >
> > > >Megan "Piglet" Zurawicz
> > > >RootsWeb ListPig
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > <>< ~ I John 4:10 - This is love: not that we loved God, but that He
loved
> > > us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. ~ ><>
> > >
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> > >
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