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From: David Buzzek <>
Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] MT Carmel cemetary / unmarked graves / deepgraves
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:22:33 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <8CB655DD95A0AEB-17F0-2858@WEBMAIL-DZ23.sysops.aol.com>


In 1925, home wakes were still the norm.
I have an aunt and uncle (sister and brother) in a single grave. They both died young and are buried over an unrelated child.
Dave B

David T Buzzek
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--- On Wed, 2/25/09, <> wrote:

> From: <>
> Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] MT Carmel cemetary / unmarked graves / deep graves
> To:
> Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 6:43 AM
> Cher, I think I did ask about the 2 bodies in the grave
> and I know the lady told me there was no way to know which
>
> body was which. You have a good point about the date -
> earlier death is on the bottom. She told me that there is
>
> not even a marker of any sort on the plot. I think that
> there
> were a lot of deaths & murders in Chicago during that
> time of the
> Black Hand murders and rise of organized crime there. Even
>
> though I know there is no marker on the grave I have this
> interest in actually seeing the spot if I ever get to
> Chicago.
>
> My Mom's twin sister died at 6 years old and that was
> back in
> 1925. Things were very different then. My Mom's
> biggest memory
> about her sister was the fact that the wake/viewing was
> right in
> their house. I'm not sure if that was the custom back
> then or because
> of the cost, but it was pretty traumatic for my Mom at 6
> years old
> to see her own image lay dead right in the living room for
> a few days.
> However, the headstone on her grave is quite elaborate and
> beautiful
> and they spared no cost for the headstone.
> I bet that your family didn't talk mugh about the
> little girl that
> died in your family because it was so traumatic for the
> family. I
> never heard of 3 people stacked in a single grave. That
> must be a really
> deep grave.
> Michelle O'Keefe
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:13:45 -0800 (PST)
> From: Cheryl <>
> Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Mt. Carmel Cemetary
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> Hi Michelle,
>
> I, too, have had excellent info via phone from Mt Carmel
> Cemetery as well as
> Good Shepherd, the new cemetery here. Those office workers
> go above and beyond
> to help us.
>
> You've raised a point I had never thought of, simply
> because I would never have
> enough money to move a family member! Assuming a relative
> received a charity
> grave and was buried with others that were not related, how
> could that body be
> identified? It is my understanding, from seeing this on
> caskets for family
> members that when the undertaker closed the casket, a seal
> was placed. I know
> the seals had identifiable numbers. Why wouldn't the
> cemetery, knowing a body
> was in a particular grave, be able to identify which body
> was which by that
> seal? They also have a copy of a burial permit which is
> dated. While they can't
> tell just from the burial cards they keep in the office,
> once in the grave I
> think they can tell.
>
> Also, in my family, three are buried on top of each other
> in one grave at Mt
> Olivet. Little Katie was first, (age 5), and she is at the
> bottom; her dad died
> next and is in the middle, with Sarah, the mom being on
> top. I had never heard
> of this before and was totally freaked out to look for one
> and find them all at
> once! Little Katie was a twin I knew nothing about, though
> my mom states she
> "had heard a child died". This twin child was the
> sister of my mom's mom, and
> the family was so closeknit. Yet no stories exist about
> her.
>
> Curious and curiouser!
>
> Cher
>
>
> --- On Tue, 2/24/09,
> <> wrote:
>
> From: <>
> Subject: Re: [IL-COOK-CHICAGO] Mt. Carmel Cemetary
> Since the grave I was looking for turned out to be in
> the charity section of
> unmarked graves, there was no marke
> r or headstone. FYI - In that case, they
> put 2 unrelated bodies in the same grave & so now
> there is not really a way to
> tell if his body is the top or bottom - she
> mentioned that in case I was claiming the body & wanted
> to move it
> somewhere - which I did not !
> Michelle O'Keefe
>
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