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From: Chris Pitt Lewis <>
Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Mughal descendant possible heir to Barony
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:57:52 +0100
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In message <>, Henry
Soszynski <> writes
>At 08:20 AM 22/07/05 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>Henry Soszynski wrote:
>>
>>> Julian Gardner, born c1941, an Anglo-Indian, may be heir to the dormant
>>> Barony of Gardner of Uttotexeter, though he can't afford to have his claim
>>> recognized by the appropriate body. He apparently descends from Padshah
>>> Shah Alam II (1729-1806), via his son Shahzada Mirza Suleiman Shikoh
>>> (+1838), whose daughter married James Valentine Gardner (+1845). Anyone
>>> have further details of the Gardner-Mughal marriage?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Henry
>>>
>>
>>Hello:
>>
>>what was the daughter's name?
>>
>>what is the lineage from her to Julian Gardner?
>>
>>thank-you
>>
>>
>Try
><http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,12559,1102144,00.html>http://www.gu
>ardian.co.uk/india/story/0,12559,1102144,00.html
>Unfortunately the exact line of descent is not spelled out, which is what I'm
>trying to find out.
>Cheers,
>Henry
>
>

I can't give the full answer, but here is a start.

Though the family is not in the last two editions of Burke, it is in the
1970 edition, from which, with some additional sources (Burke's Landed
Gentry 1937 (for Van Straubenzee) and a post by Annabelle Sutton on the
INDIA-L dated 5 jan 2003), the following appears to be Julian Gardner's
lineage. There are clearly several cousin marriages involved. Old
fashioned spellings as given in Burke.


1. Julian James Gardner (de jure 7th Baron Gardner?) b 1942

2. Alan William Gardner (de jure 6th Baron Gardner) b 3 dec 1908
3. Ethel Lydia Gardner

4. Alan Legge Gardner (de jure 5th Baron Gardner?) b 25 oct 1881
m.(1) 14 jan 1907
5. Christina Gardner d 1918
6. James Valentine Gardner (*see below)
7.

8. Alan Hyde Gardner (de jure 4th Baron Gardner) b 1 jul 1836 d 9 jul
1899 m. 12 mar 1879
9. Jane Sheko d 12 jun 1891
10. William Gardner, Zamindar of Ourrupure
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

16. Stewart William Gardner b 18 aug 1812 d 20 jul 1882 m. 28 aug 1834
17. Jane Gardner (Hurmoozee Begum) d 15 jun 1869
18. Ungun Sheko
19.

32. Rear Admiral Francis ffarington Gardner b 21 jun 1772 d 8 jul 1821
m. 4 may 1809
33. Catherine Van Straubenzee b 11 jun 1787 d 15 jul 1870
34. Col Alan Gardner d 30 jan 1828
35.

64. Admiral Sir Alan Gardner, 1st Baron Gardner b 12 feb 1742 d 1 jan
1809 m. 20 may 1769
65. Susannah Hyde Gale d 20 apr 1823
66. Charles Spencer Van Straubenzee, of Spennithorne, Yorks
67. Anne Theophila Davison
68. Lt Col William Linnaeus Gardner b 1770 d d 29 jul 1835
69. Nawab Mah Manzil-un-nisa Begum Dehlivi (of Cambay) d 31 aug 1835

128. Lt Col William Gardner b 24 mar 1691 d 14 aug 1762 m. 7 dec 1729
129. Elizabeth ffarington d 16 aug 1783 [dau of Valentine ffarington of
Preston]
130. Francis Gale, of Liguanoa, Jamaica
131. Susannah Hall
132. Philip William Casimir Van Straubenzee d 1765 m 1745
133. Jane Turner [dau of Cholmeley Turner of Kirkleatham, Yorks]
134. Rev J Davison, Rector of Scruton
135. [dau of Sir George Vane, of Raby]
136. Major Valentine Gardner b 6 may 1739 [elder son of 128 and 129]
137. Alida Livingston d sep 1791 [dau of Robert Livingston, lord of the
manor of Livingston in New York State]

* This James Valentine Gardner is presumably a descendant of James
Valentine Gardner d Chhaoni 14 jun 1845, eldest son of William Linnaeus
Gardner (no 68), who m. (1) Bibi Sahiba Banoo and (2) ca 1834 Nawab
Mulka Humanee Begum, dau of Mirza Suleiman Sheko and niece of Emperor
Akbar Shah.

The obvious places to look next for more information are
(a) Morris Bierbrier's list of Mughal descendants published in various
numbers of the current American periodical "The Genealogist"
(b) District Gazetteers covering Khasganj, Chhaoni, Ourrupure and any
other relevant places (all in the United Provinces??).
--
Chris Pitt Lewis

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