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From: "D & A Augier " <>
Subject: Re: CAMPBELL / COWIE (British Army in India - late 1800's)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:39:44 +1100


For an interesting discussion of the topic see Rules Brittania
http://clever.net/quinon/words/gb.htm
The Home page is also interesting with various articles on words ,
including one about the internet.
http://clever.net/quinion/words/
Good reading
Douglas & Audrey Augier


ICQ 2274459

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: From: Don McEwan <>
: To: Leslie Campbell <>
: Cc:
: Subject: Re: CAMPBELL / COWIE (British Army in India - late 1800's)
: Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 8:00 AM
:
: Leslie Campbell wrote:
: >
: > Anyone want to educate me? My Great-grandfather was from Scotland, and
in
: > the British Army in India in the late 1800's (see reference below).
I'm
: > sure I'm showing my ignorance, but I don't understand how Scotland is
: > "British"....okay, I didn't pay attention in history and geography! Be
: > nice, It's taken me a while to get up the nerve to ask such a stupid
: > question!
: > ------------------------------------
: > CAMPBELL, Peter (b. 1861, Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland)
: > +COWIE, Minna (b. about 1864, Aberdeenshire, Scotland)
: > m. 1884 (Stirling, Scotland)
: > CAMPBELL, Peter (Nowshera, near Peshawar, in the Punjab
province of
: > India)
: > ------------------------------------
: > My great-grandfather, PETER CAMPBELL, was born in Dunblane, Perthshire,
: > Scotland in 1861.
: >
: > My great-grandmother was named MINNA COWIE. I don't know her year of
birth,
: > but she was born in Aberdeenshire, Scotland. MINNA was raised on a
farm in
: > Aberdeenshire. MINNA was married to PETER in 1884 in Stirling,
Scotland.
: > MINNA accompanied her husband PETER on all his travels.
: >
: > Their son, also PETER CAMPBELL (my grandfather), wrote the following
family
: > history:
: > ------------------------------------
: > "I was born at Nowshera, near Peshawar, in the Punjab province of
India,
: > part of the country now know as Pakistan. This area was know as the
Northwest
: > Frontier.
: > My father was in the regular British Army. He enlisted in the Argyll &
: > Sutherland Highlanders of the British Army, a kilted regiment. He saw
: > service with the regiment in Scotland, England, Ireland, twice to
India, and Hong Kong, China
: > We returned to Britain in 1900, when my Father was appointed
Colour-Sergeant
: > of the Territorials at Ballachulish in Argyllshire, Scotland. I
attended school
: > at Ballachulish until 1908 when we moved to the nearby town of
Kinlochleven.
: > When we moved to Kinlochleven, my Father retired from the Army. Late
in
: > 1909, we moved to Govan, a suburb of Glasgow, and through that winter
Dad
: > got the idea to move to Canada. This happened in 1910, and we reached
: > Vancouver on May 29. In Govan, I had completed public school and had
been
: > in high school for a couple of months."
: > ------------------------------------
: > That's about all I have regarding this branch of my family tree except
that
: > PETER and MINNA had children in every country that they visited, except
England. That would be at least 4 children, plus their son Peter.
: >
: > Any help would be great!
: >
: > Leslie Campbell
: >
: ==============================================================
:
: Hi, Leslie,
: You will probably receive more academic answers than this but I will try
: to explain some of this, while my Mince (you may say Ground Beef!) is
: cooking for my Spaghetti Bolognaise Schottische (i.e. without
: tomatoes!).
:
: Incidentally, don't be reluctant to ask what you may feel may be
: 'ignorant' questions, we have all got gaps in our knowledge and, at
: least no-one can see you blush !!
:
: If you are interested in Scottish Genealogy or History, there are lots
: of sites and Usenet discussion groups which you can consult. If that is
: another gap in your information, come back to this group.
: Without getting into areas where I am a bit vague, Britain (Great
: Britain) is made up of the original independent countries (if you go
: back far enough) of England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland (Northern
: Ireland, if you are up-to-date). The English 'conquered' Wales a long
: time ago - you can see some lovely castles they (or the Normans?) built
: to keep down the natives - who were revolting for quite a long time (Act
: of Union - 1536). The Scots (who have a habit of revolting) were
: invaded, taken, lost, re-taken and eventually supplied a replacement
: King for England and Scotland, James I (of England) and VI (of
: Scotland. Same person, in case you are getting confused. This is known
: as The Union of the Crowns.
: If you have the chance to see the film "Braveheart", it will give you a
: slightly embroidered view of how England played the aristocracy of
: Scotland by giving them estates in England to get their loyalty, so
: eventually the top Scots 'sold out' to England - this is known as The
: Union of the Parliaments (I think) - Act of Union- 1707. You may have
: heard that the Scots were a wee bit troublesome in 1715 and 1745, it has
: taken us until now to get our own Parliament, starting in 1999 / 2000.
:
: Over the years the terms 'England' and 'Britain' have often been
: confused, particularly by the English. To this day you can see a member
: of the public on TV, replying to a question about Prince Charles, saying
: "...... Well, he IS going to be King of England, isn't he? So he should
: ......"
: Winston Churchill often spoke about the war between the "Naasi's and
: England". (His pronunciation) Nowadays the preferred term is "United
: Kingdom (of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, I think)
:
: Many Scots have joined the Army - which has been the British Army for a
: long time - often to get away from unemployment and poverty. Their
: justified pride in the Scottish regiments and their traditions could be
: said to have provided the British (English) with 'cannon fodder' over
: many generations and battlefields, all over the Empire, particularly
: India. But that's another subject!!
:
: I hope this has clarified how Scotland is (part of) British and how a
: Scotsman could be in the British Army.
: My father was a Scotsman, in the Black Watch during W.W.I but ending up
: in the (British) Indian Army.
:
: Lang may yer Lum Reek,
:
: DON
: Scotland
:
:
:
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: JINGS, CRIVVENS and HELP MA BOAB.
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