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From: Jack Keating <>
Subject: Re: [Irish-American] LOST TRIBES OF IRELAND -
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:22:38 -0400
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Hi Jerry
Have you addressed the families of Dolan, Duffy, Finn (Galway) and
Keating (West Cork).
Many Thanks.
Jack

Linda DeGayner wrote:

>Dear Jerry,
>The histories you have related on this list are wonderful! This last entry
>has ancient family names that come up in the notes my great grandmother had
>written concerning the McCann Clan.
>The Kings of Connacht , my Grandmother writes ,came from a line of the
>"Milisuis King of Spain through the line of his son ;Heremon". I'm not
>completely sure of the spelling...but also mentions Ui-Breasal.clan . I am
>looking for a source book to gather further information.Can you recomend
>any?
>Linda
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jerry Kelly" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:59 PM
>Subject: [Irish-American] LOST TRIBES OF IRELAND - O'SHIEL/ Ó SIADHAIL /
>SHIELDS
>
>
>Hi Kathleen,
>
>Thank you. You're descended from one of Ireland's great hereditary medical
>families who once taught in universities as far afield as Bologna and Paris.
>Like any of the aos dána ('people of gifts', i.e., the hereditary educated
>families of physicians, prophet-poets, judges,
>historians/genealogist/arbitrators, etc.), your people went to school for at
>least 14 years after the equivalent of a good high school education in order
>to master the knowledge of their field, established schools for the
>propagation of their knowledge, and found themselves in great demand
>throughout Ireland. Unlike a family of eich-thiarnaí ('horse-lords') or
>bó-airí ('cattle-nobles') like mine, who were wedded to their own tribal
>homeland for centuries or millennia, your wealth was knowledge, not land.
>And that made you mobile. Kings throughout Ireland sought out your
>ancestors to come, settle, and apply their knowledge. Woulfe and MacLysaght
>note branches of your family in Donegal, Derry, Antrim, !
>Down, and Offaly, but using an "etc." Woulfe notes that that's not the whole
>list. If your family tradition is that you're from Roscommon, then a good
>assumption to start with is that you were recruited as physicians by one of
>the leading branches of the Uí Mhaine or the Uí Bhriúin Aí, maybe even the Ó
>Conchobhair (O'Connor') Kings Of Connacht themselves. And once re-settled,
>you received land, cows, horses, gold, and honor.
>
>Hope that's helpful. Best, - Jerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:40 PM
> Subject: [Irish-American] Finding the connection to ancestral lands
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/11/2005 7:25:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> writes:
>
> Me name is Kathleen too and I marvel with her! (that was my attempt at
> sounding Irish for those that don't have sound :>) As well as being raised
>in the
> Midwest, I can not seem to get past the ancestor that originally came
>over.
> Their name was Shields ( O'Shiel) and everything I read places them in
> different parts (Ulster and Offaly) than where I have been lead to
>believe they are
> from-Roscommon. It's not just trying to find the link (the name of the
> ancestor) but to see where they lived before immigrating and how they got
>there
> from where history tells me they lived.
>
> What can I do? Any suggestions would be helpful.
>
> Kathleen Shields Kim
> (mailto:)
>
>
>
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