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From: "Pat Curtis" <>
Subject: Re: [Irish-American] LOTS OF CELTIC TRIBES IN IRELAND WITH DIFFERENT PHENOTYPES
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:36:32 -0800
References: <HKEDLBPCKDKOGPBDKGLBEEDBDFAA.pcoughlin@kc.rr.com>


Pat,
Do you have a Michael COUGHLIN m Mary DOHONY b 1831 Ireland and to this
union:
Michael J. COUGHLIN
b ca-1858 Tolono,Champaign Co.,IL
occupation: Railroad Clerk
m 12-Jan-1881 Tolono,Champaign Co.,IL to Catharine "Kate" GORMAN-Witnesses:
F.A. Quinn and Mary McCauly to their marriage.
Kate was b 31-Jan-1862 Tolono,Champaign Co.,IL
They lived in Danville,KY in 1913.
They had 5 Children that I know of:
Mary b 14-Sep-1886; Helen-she lived at 129 St. Mildred Court, Danville,KY
40422; Berniece; Phil and Bill COUGHLIN.
Hoping to find a connection to my COUGHLIN/GORMAN family.
Pat MALEY-CURTIS in Arkansas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Coughlin" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Irish-American] LOTS OF CELTIC TRIBES IN IRELAND WITH
DIFFERENT PHENOTYPES


> Jerry:
>
> It is my Coughlin line. The name was spelled Coghlan in the early 1800's,
> and my Coughlin's were located in and around Grange Upper. The townland is
a
> bit south of Castleconnell. Given the concentration of Coghlan/Coughlin's
> just east of there in County Offaly, it is very probable that my ancestors
> came from the McCoghlan sept in Offaly.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paddy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Kelly [mailto:]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:10 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Irish-American] LOTS OF CELTIC TRIBES IN IRELAND WITH
> DIFFERENT PHENOTYPES
>
> Dear Paddy,
>
> This is amazing stuff. I'm new to the genetics so I know I'm not
expressing
> this correctly but please indicate which of your surname(s) would have
> provided the DNA and where from in Limerick or Ireland? Many thanks, -
> Jerry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pat Coughlin
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [Irish-American] LOTS OF CELTIC TRIBES IN IRELAND WITH
> DIFFERENT PHENOTYPES
>
>
> With my light skin, blue eyes and reddish-blond hair, I suspected that
my
> Limerick ancestors were of Irish- Norse Viking extraction. A DNA test
from
> Oxford Ancestors revealed otherwise. My paternal DNA showed a descent
from
> Irish tribes going back 9,000 years, but the test ruled out Viking
> ancestors. The test report noted "intriguing genetic connections"
between
> individuals with my Y-chromosomes and individuals from the Iberian
> Peninsula. DNA tests are a wonderful thing, but I always knew that my
> Irish
> roots ran deep. What else would explain my affinity for redheads? ;)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paddy Coughlin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Kelly [mailto:]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:32 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Irish-American] LOTS OF CELTIC TRIBES IN IRELAND WITH
> DIFFERENT PHENOTYPES
>
> Dear Susan,
>
> Wow! That is really great! It's possible to identify the Celtic tribes
> to
> which many Irish families belong, and then in a few cases like the Ó
> Gormáin
> (Gorman) family identify when those tribes got to Ireland and where they
> came from. Can you tell me what surname most likely represents that DNA
> and
> perhaps what tribe? Or is it possible to post the research to the list
> so
> we can all look at it? That would be great.
>
> Best, - Jerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirk C. Jenkins
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:09 PM
> Subject: RE: [Irish-American] LOTS OF CELTIC TRIBES IN IRELAND WITH
> DIFFERENT PHENOTYPES
>
>
> Jerry --
>
> Thanks for the short and very understandable lecture on the
phenotypes!
> I've always heard that the Irish had their origins in a number of
> different
> tribes and areas. Just as an interesting aside, a number of years ago
I
> traced my mitochondrial DNA, which takes me back to Ireland a very
long
> time
> ago, and the farthest links back traced the origin of my line to
> northern
> Italy! No wonder all my Irish relatives married Italians when the got
> to
> New York. :)
>
> Susan
>
>
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