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From: "Jean R." <>
Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Surnames???? Fwd: Brick Wall. BEEGAN,FAHY MARRIAGE
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:23:13 -0700
References: <d3f.2bf6c2e3.359ab330@aol.com>

Hi Ed - Do you have newspaper death notices for your couple? Your
reference librarian can send away for microfilmed copies of newspapers for
the two days following a known date of death. Reference librarian has
sources that give names of newspapers in particular locations in particular
time frames, where to send away for the microfilms for you to look at
locally via the free interlibrary loan program. Death certificates?
Genealogy libraries and branches of the National Archives (USA) and the LDS
(Mormon) FHL have microfilmed state death indices that are divided into
approximate 10-year increments; these are alphabetized and soundexed; they
give name, age at time of death, location at time of death, spouse, etc.
Best of all, they give the number of the death certificate so you can order
same from a vital records office or, if very old, a state or county archival
library.

Have you sent for the Social Security applications for husband and wife, as
you have their death dates? Many of these applications date back to circa
1936, contain full name, date of birth, where born, address at the time of
application, where employed and address of same, whether married and name of
spouse. Also they contain copies of applicants' signatures, which I find
especially nice. Likely will provide new info. for you to work with. There
are several Social Security Death Indexes on line, one by Rootsweb. They
have gone up in price, but still a bargain for all the new information you
may acquire.

Have you checked serial city directory listings? If you look at these
directories for every year that a family lived in the city, you learn when
the children in a family got old enough to have a job. This may give you a
hint of about when they were born. You need to look at every year to do a
thorough job. For example, a working woman may not have been listed for a
year or two after she had a child, but then her name may reappear when she
returned to the ranks of the employed. Sometimes a child will only be
listed for one year before leaving the family. Sometimes a child will move
back in with the parents when they found that it was difficult to make it on
their own. Or, an uncle may appear for a brief time. You will sometimes
miss something important unless you examine every year. City directories can
be used in conjunction with censuses. If you consult the directory first to
get an address, it will save you time when looking for a person in a city
census. Abbreviations: many are explained at the beginning of the listings.
However, some are not. h = house or residence (used for the head of
household.) I am not sure if this includes renting an apartment.) do =
ditto, not domicile.
Not familiar with Catholicism, but wondering if you could find reference to
family events in their local Catholic newspaper or parish newsletter,
journal or website for St. Catherine of Siena Church in Manhattan. (Named
for St. Catherine of Siena (Sienna), the 14th-century Italian saint who,
among other things, nursed plague and cancer victims.) Perhaps their names
are recorded in literature from a church organization - Holy Names Society
or Altar Rosary Society. I saw an interesting "Time" magazine website
archived article from the 1950s about an energetic and long-time serving,
retiring priest of St. Catherine of Siena Church in Manhattan.

Consider requesting help from the county historical societies in the KNOWN
places they lived, worked, raised a family, died. No doubt they can come up
with documents on the family, perhaps even a will. I have done this with
very good results. If you have a known address for them, or for a school
their children may have attended, try "googling it, see what comes up.

You can be pretty sure that you have the right church for the marriage, as
even an elderly woman would not likely forget that important detail. The
date might have been slightly off. Perhaps surname/s were with slightly
different spelling/s than you had requested and so was missed. You can find
more on your surnames and the many variations at www.ireland.com/ancestor/

The table below shows the number of Beegan households in each county
in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64.
Click on a county name for a breakdown of the number of households by
parish (paying).
Galway 8

SURNAME DICTIONARY/ SLOINNTE NA h-EIREANN
Beagan mod.nos: Ulster etc. Ir. Ó Beagáin, which also appears as
Little.
Beegan fairly rare: Dublin, Limerick etc. Ir. Ó Beagáin, the small
man.
Ó Beacháin Behan, Beegan: líonmhar: Laighin & Ciarraí. Clann léannta i
Laois/Uíbh Fhailí gur aistrigh cuid acu go Ciarraí. Tá Beegan i Luimneach &
Beagan in Ulaidh. An bhrí: beach bheag, ainm a tabharfaí do leanbh, ach
féach Ó Beagáin, leis.


Variants and all-Ireland totals - Click on one to see the numbers by
county..
SURNAME TOTAL
Beagin 4
Beegan 8

Variants which are not listed in the household survey.
SURNAME
Beagon

Beagan

Ó Beacháin


The table below shows the number of Beagin households in each county
in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64.
Click on a county name for a breakdown of the number of households by
parish (paying).
Monaghan 4


Variants and all-Ireland totals - Click on one to see the numbers by
county..
SURNAME TOTAL
Beaghan 10
Beahan 94
Beehan 2
Behan 336
Behane 12
Behen 12

Variants which are not listed in the household survey.
SURNAME
Ó Beacháin


The table below shows the number of Behan households in each county in
the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64.
Click on a county name for a breakdown of the number of households by
parish (paying).
Carlow 2 Clare 29
Cork 2 Down 3
Dublin 16 Dublin city 10
Galway 6 Kerry 1
Kildare 132 Kilkenny 4
Laois 38 Limerick 9
Limerick city 3 Longford 1
Mayo 4 Meath 2
Offaly 9 Roscommon 1
Tipperary 18 Waterford 4
Westmeath 4 Wexford 11
Wicklow 27


The table below shows the number of Beagan households in each county
in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64.
Click on a county name for a breakdown of the number of households by
parish (paying).
No Beagan households in the Primary Valuation between 1848 and 1864.



You do the "clicking" for more specifics at the above-named website.

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: <>
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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Surnames???? Fwd: Brick Wall..BEEGAN,FAHY MARRIAGE


> Thank You....
> My Grandfather was: Gerard Martin Beegan Born; November 5th 1902
> (Limerick)
> Died March 1961 New York. My Grandmother was: Mary Ellen Fahy/Fahey(could
> be
> either spelling) Born August 6th 1901(Limerick). Died November 1994
> Florida....Thank You in advance for any assistance. This has been making
> Me NUTZ.....ED
>
>
> In a message dated 6/30/2008 5:56:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> Hi Ed -- What were the full names (including maiden "nee" surname) of
> your
> grandparents? Their approximate birth dates? When you reply, be sure to
> capitalize and add them to the subject line, okay? Jean
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:11 PM
> Subject: [IRISH-AMER] Fwd: Brick Wall
>
>> From: EDSCOUT
>> To:
>> Sent: 6/30/2008 3:05:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
>> Subj: Brick Wall
>> I am hoping someone can assist Me with a Wall I have hit in My
>> research.
>> My
>> Grandparents came to the U.S. from Ireland in 1920. They met in NYC in
>> 1921.
>> My Grandmother was a very, very Catholic Woman. I sent to vital Records
>> for
>> the marriage License. Since I did not know the exact Year; I paid for a
>> search
>> of 1921 thru 1924. The City replied that "NO" Record was found.....Last
>> Week
>> My Aunt found an audio Tape My Grandmother made for the Ellis Island
>> foundation back in 1976. On the Tape She stated that the Marriage took
>> place on
>> September 20th 1924 at St. Katherine Sienna Church in Manhattan. Today
>> I
>> called
>> the Church. They replied that after checking Records; there is "NO"
>> Record of
>> the marriage on, or around that date......I am stuck. Any
>> suggestions?..
>> I
>> know they married, but cannot find it anywhere....ED
>

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