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From: "Ess" <>
Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 1, Issue 33
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:39:45 +0100
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Fran you can hear the Irish brogue anytime you like just tune into Irish
Radio
http://www.rte.ie/ RTE 1 would be the one to listen to as it is more chat
based rather than music based
Esther: Family-- Miller Bigley Cooney Murphy Greens and Caulfield, all
Carlow/Baltinglass area
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: the brogue (Doris Noland Parton)
> 2. Accents (Gerry Moloney)
> 3. Re: Spoken English and other things (Bill Gawne)
> 4. Fw: Derenzy (Pat Zipf)
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> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:16:32 -0400
> From: "Doris Noland Parton" <>
> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] the brogue
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> As my direct line Nolan(d) immigrant was in Cecil County, Maryland by the
> 1670s, we of course have no Irish brogue in my family; but I have this
> comment to make on non-standard English.
>
> I would rather hear an Irish brogue or an East Tennessee mountain accent
> any
> time than to hear standard English. I feel that hearing the spoken
> remnants
> of the languages of the past brings me closer to the ancestors whom I
> study.
>
> I say this even from the perspective of a retired teacher who for 30
> years
> taught standard English as well as other subjects. The English language is
> evolving daily, and it is my belief that there is no such "animal" as
> "correct English" in any setting other than academic.
>
> Doris Noland Parton
> Dandridge, Tennessee
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> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] the brogue
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>> Gerry, I was raised by two Irish born parents. All relatives, older
>> than me here in US, spoke with a brogue. They had all come over from
>> Ireland.
>> Now, all of those folks are gone. I rarely hear the brogue anymore.
>> When I do, I'm ecstatic. It sounds SO GOOD and SO heartwarming to me.
>> It just means so much. I LOVE the 't's' on the end and whatever else
>> you might consider incorrect. It's music to my ears. I might hear a
>> brogue every two months or less and that's by accidentally running into
>> a native born Irish person.
>> And, do you know what really bothers me??? When they have a non-Irish
>> actor trying to speak with a brogue. They fool my husband, but they
>> never fool me....they just annoy me because I think they could find the
>> real Irish actor.
>> Fran Devine Heidel
>>
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> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:44:01 +0100
> From: "Gerry Moloney" <>
> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Accents
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> Hankering to hear the auld Irish brogue?
>
> here is a site with recordings of conversations with different accents.
> You can click on a map to hear accents of different regions. Doesn't
> include Republic of Ireland however, just the North.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/voices/recordings/
>
> Regards.
> Gerry
>
> 'You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think.'
> Gerry Moloney (Lecturer)
> Computing Dept., ITCarlow, Ireland.
> Office: (059)9170455
> Mobile: (087)9184000
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:57:09 -0400
> From: Bill Gawne <>
> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Spoken English and other things
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> Hi again Gerry, all,
>
> Gerry Moloney wrote:
>
> [quoting me]
>>> There is that, though I'll allow that my grandmother from west Cork
>>> spoke more slowly than her in-laws from Carlow. I think it's
>>> characteristic of far west Cork and Kerry that they speak more
>>> slowly there. Yes?
>>
>>
>> Wouldn't think so. Kerrymen are renowned for their accent, quick wit,
>> their industriousness and their willingness to laugh at themselves.
>
> That all sounds like my great-uncle Charlie Ware, who came from
> Ballylongford in Kerry.
>
>> Of course they are the undisputed masters of football (gaelic) in
>> Ireland as well.
>
> Riobard O'Dwyer over in the Beara mailing list might take exception to
> this, being a great fan of the Beara football team, but I'll take your
> word for it.
>
>> And in general they speak very quickly. I should know. My father is a
>> Kerryman.
>
> OK. That would give you the advantage.
>
>> You probably haven't heard of Kerryman Jokes.
>
> Oh, I think I've heard a few, though they were probably filtered a bit
> for presentation to the wee lad I was at the time.
>
>> They are the most
>> famous 'regional' jokes in Ireland and are best told by a Kerryman
>> himself, in fact most are written by Kerrymen themselves.
>>
>> See www.fionasplace.net/irishjokes/Kerrymanjokes.html
>> <http://www.fionasplace.net/irishjokes/Kerrymanjokes.html>; or
>> http://www.abitoblarney.com/irishjokes.htm to lighten your day.
>
> Reminiscent of Jeff Foxworthy's "You might be a redneck if..." jokes.
> Thanks.
>
>> And here is one my father loves to tell about ye Americans, epecially
>> to Americans! (ye will have to learn to laugh at yereselves!)
>
> If we couldn't laugh we'd all go insane. (As Jimmy Buffet so wisely put
> it.)
>
>> An American arrived in Dublin to visit his longlost relative Paddy.
>> Paddy took him in his car for a drive. He proudly pointed out the
>> tallest buildlig in Ireland, Liberty Hall, at 10 stories high.
>> "That's not very high, Paddy" said the American. "Paddy", he said,
>> "you should see the 150 story-high skyscrapers we have in the
>> States!". Paddy drove on and came to his home farm in Galway. He
>> pointed out his 3 small fields around the house. "That's not a very
>> big farm,Paddy", said the American. "Paddy, you should see the
>> ranches we have in the states. It can take 2 days to drive around
>> them in a car!". Paddy walked on towards the house, showed his garden
>> of potatoes to the American and picked one proudly to show him.
>> "Paddy, these are not very big potatoes", said the American. "You
>> should see the potatoes we have in the States - they're the size of
>> footballs!". "Ah", said Paddy. "That may be so....but we only grow
>> them here to fit our mouths!".
>
> *smile*
>
> That reminds me of a story about a Texan talking to a man from Arkansas
> (a state just to the north-east of Texas). The Texan boasted that it
> took him two days to drive across his ranch, and the Arkansan said,
> "Yep, I had a truck like that once too."
>
> I know a few things about Texans, having married into the tribe.
>
> All the best. I hope it's a lovely evening there in Ireland.
>
> Bill Gawne
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:42:39 -0400
> From: "Pat Zipf" <>
> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Fw: Derenzy
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> Dear Rachel and the List,
>
> Thank you so much for remembering me when you saw the name Derenzy! I
> appreciate it so much. Any 'sightings' of the name will be gratefully
> received.
> Do you know how far Clonegal is from Bagenalstown? Also, are there any
> records to be checked for Clonegal in the early to mid 1800's? Any help
> will be most welcome.
>
> Thank you once again for your kindness.
> All the best,
> Pat Zipf
> Jamesburg NJ USA
>
>
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rachel Harwood <Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Derenzy
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> Hello,
>
> I was doing some research today and in the Carlow Sentinel 1844, 11th May
> it mentions people in Carlow who have registered more than 20 stand of
> arms and this includes John Derenzy of Cloneygall (sic)
>
> I jotted it down because I recognised that this name had come up recently
> on the list - it would concur with Dan's thinking that this surname was
> certainly in the Clonegal area.
>
> Hopefully this might fit in with your research somewhere!
>
> Rachel
> Dublin
>
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