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From: "Terry Hill" <>
Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow Name of Town or County
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:15:58 -0500
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No I haven't found the marriage. His wife was Ann and I think they were
married in Carlo. The only reference I found to Carlo was the census. I
keep[ hoping I canmake the jump back to Carlo but so far no luck. Terry
Delany
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Moloney" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow Name of Town or County


> Terry,
> Is this written down anywhere e.g. birth or marraige cert?
> Gerry
>
> 'You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think.'
> Gerry Moloney (Lecturer)
> Computing Dept., ITCarlow, Ireland.
> Office: (059)9170455
> Mobile: (087)9184000
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: on behalf of Terry Hill
> Sent: Thu 04/01/2007 16:33
> To:
> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow Name of Town or County
>
>
>
> I realize that this is not in any way an academic input, but.....on the
> 1851
> census in England my great great grandfather, Peter (or Patrick) Delaney
> is
> said to have come from Carlo, Ireland.....so I wonder if this spelling was
> in common use in the 1850's Terry Delany
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Moloney" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow Name of Town or County
>
>
>> These are the theories:
>>
>> 1. 'Abounding in cattle' - this apparently is an interpretation of the
>> name in old gaelic and was proposed initially, I am led to believe, by
>> some clergy within Carlow.
>> However Carlow today is no more abounding cattle than any other county
>> in
>> Ireland and probably was not so in the past either. Neither is this
>> interpretation in keeping with the way other counties of Ireland appear
>> to
>> have been named including the surrounding counties of Kildare, Wicklow,
>> Wexford, Waterford, Kilkenny.
>> A much more detailed look at the naming of all the counties is probably
>> now needed, of course.
>>
>> 2. 'Four Lakes' - the problem with this is - 'where are the four lakes'?
>> Nobody knows.
>>
>> 3. 'City on the Lake' - haven't heard this before but I have heard 'Stone
>> on the Lake'. This needs more elaboration and investigation.
>>
>> None of the above are satisfactory in any way and need to be properly
>> authenicated, if possible, if they are to be accepted.
>>
>> I am adding this 4th one myself as follows:
>>
>> 4. 'Area of a descendant of the Carlovingian dynasty'.
>> Carloman was a king of the ancient Carolingian dynasty (also called
>> Carlovingian). http://www.bartleby.com/65/ca/Carlomn751.html
>> The name 'Carlo' used to appear on old maps of Carlow.
>> 'W' was added in some Anglicisation process.
>> It was all done in the time of Strongbow and William Marshall, who
>> between
>> them had crusader experience and, as we have seen, connection with the
>> Carlovingian dynasty. (Strongbow was a descendant of Charlemagne of the
>> Carlovingian dynasty).
>> Pembroke, the area within Carlow town itself, is certainly called after
>> the Earl of Pembroke - Strongbow. Staplestown likewise, Browneshill
>> likewise. And many many others. So this naming precedent, of calling
>> places after people, exists very strongly in the Carlow area!
>> So why should the name 'Carlow' itself be any different??????
>> And this theory has the possiblity of explaining the naming of Jerusalem
>> also - just thrown in for good measure!!!
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>> 'You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think.'
>> Gerry Moloney (Lecturer)
>> Computing Dept., ITCarlow, Ireland.
>> Office: (059)9170455
>> Mobile: (087)9184000
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: on behalf of Carlowman
>> Sent: Thu 04/01/2007 07:48
>> To:
>> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow Name of Town or County
>>
>>
>>
>> "Abounding in Cattle"
>>
>> That's a new one on me, in school in Carlow (1950s) we were told of the
>> "four lakes " theory and also "City on the Lake" !!
>>
>>
>> PP
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