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From: "Cara_Links" <>
Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Citizenship and Documentation
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:50:13 +1000
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What happens if she says No?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carloman2" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Citizenship and Documentation


> Marry an Irish Woman !
>
> PP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donal O'Kelly" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Citizenship and Documentation
>
>
>> Suppose an Arab wants to become a citizen. How hard is that?
>> Don
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Roache" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 12:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Citizenship and Documentation
>>
>>
>>> That was not really a very help response was it Joann. Firstly, unless
>>> things changed since I got mine aa few years back, you get an EU, not
>>> simply an Iriah Passport. Unlike the sexist Brits, however, you can do
>>> so
>>> through either yof your grandparents if Irish - only the male - if
>>> English.
>>>
>>> It is a long cumbersome procedure and will take at least 18 months. You
>>> will need to document everything as required by the Irish Embassy people
>>> who will handle the application. It is also quite expensive. One final
>>> point, it will not allow your own offspring, if any, to hold a passport.
>>> The privilege ends with you - this I did not know until near the end of
>>> the process.
>>>
>>> You will need original or certified copies - in the original for them of
>>> every step linking you to the grandparent of choice - I don't recall
>>> having to worry about Death Records. But Birth/Baptism and Marriage
>>> records are a must for the grandparent, parent and you (with the
>>> exception
>>> of marriage - if records are not available, you are out of luck.
>>>
>>> I was required to produce all B & M records so that there could be no
>>> doubt about my connection to my maternal grandfather. I think I would
>>> have
>>> been OK with the records of my maternal grandmother as well, but do
>>> check
>>> to be certain. Again, it makes, you dual passport, but I was told, my
>>> sons
>>> could not apply, based on my being Irish and their being my sons.
>>>
>>> The citizenship right stops for foreign nationals with the grandchild.
>>> So
>>> you have to prove gradparent's birth in Ireland, marriage anywhere;
>>> birth
>>> and marriage of your parent to the irish grandparent, their marriage and
>>> your and your birth to them. Then the usual passport application - photo
>>> and personal ID, etc. Time and frustration you will need and a good many
>>> dollars before you are done.
>>>
>>> It was disappointing to learn my sons could not then apply - because
>>> they
>>> would have done so. I assume you have made the necessary inquiries and
>>> gotten the brochure on how to apply. I found it better to do so locally.
>>> But if there is no Republican presence in your area, you may have to
>>> face
>>> further delays....original documents or certified copies of all original
>>> records by the appropriate agencies is a must.
>>>
>>> When we landed in Ireland and everyone else was in a long line and I
>>> walked right through the domestic gate solo, for me, it was all
>>> worthwhile
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:20 AM
>>> Subject: IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 2, Issue 193
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:21:44 -0700
>>> From: "Joann Taylor" <>
>>>
>>> I am sure that there is someone out there who has been down this
>>> road...
>>>
>>> My grandfather came from Ireland and it is my understanding, that as a
>>> result of that, I can apply for an Irish Passport. I have hit a bit of
>>> a
>>> roadblock.. I understand that I need to obtain a birth certificate for
>>> him, which I believe I can do. I think they may have been operating off
>>> of an incorrect birthdate, though. I also understand that I have to
>>> document my lineage with my Dad's birth certificate, Grandpa's death
>>> cert., etc.
>>>
>>> I received my Grandpa's death cert. (c. 1956) in the mail yesterday.
>>> My
>>> Dad was the informant to the coroner and did not know a lot of the info
>>> required. I have a lot of other documentation, such as a WW2
>>> Selective Service card, a marriage licence app., and a citizenship
>>> declaration that I was able to copy off of microfilm in PA. I do not
>>> believe the state certifies any of this stuff and I wonder if that
>>> might
>>> render it useless in terms of true documentation for the purpose of
>>> securing citizenship/passport? I have found that getting records from a
>>> number of the churches in Philadelphia has been difficult, at best.
>>> Many
>>> seem to have little financial means, and often haven't kept some
>>> relevant
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> Any guidance or thoughts much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Joann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:31:00 EDT
>>> From:
>>>
>>> Why run around getting things you might need. Go to the Irish Counsel
>>> and ask them what they require and what is acceptable as proof of
>>> linage.
>>> And then go find it.
>>>
>>> You will save yourself a good deal of frustration and time.
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