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From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin" <>
Subject: Re: Registry of Deeds - Some questions and Explanations
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:21:04 -0500
References: <006c01c2e459$9d155b40$6502a8c0@Joanne>


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From: "Joanne" <>
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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:28 PM
Subject: Registry of Deeds

|| Padraig,
|| You may or may not know this or may or may not be able
|| to point me somewhere else... is the list you provide
|| soley Cork County or all of Ireland...and also can you
|| provide an example or an extraction of what it would
|| list...(surname, lot address, townland etc) || Padraig
posted:
|| <Deeds on LDS Film - Registry of Deeds - Grantors
|| Index.


The List for all of Ireland is far too lenghty to publish,
so I edited it for the Counties to which I subscribe,
namely Cork, Limerick, Clare and Tipperary - but within
most of the films I published are towns of other counties,
too.

I have never seen a transcript of a deed, nor searched an
LDS film of one, but from the title it states they are
Indexes - presumably when one checks for and finds a
particular surname, then, if its similar to BDM's , one
will be given the Volume number to search in another film
for the details. I will be posting that List of Volume
numbers and relevant films in several parts from to-day.

I am by no means expert in these matters, I know only what
I have read about them, but the basic information in a
Deed, other than a Will is its date, names, usually with
addresses and occupations of those involved, with details
of the transaction and the names ( including, sometimes,
addresses and occupations ) of the witnesses. If the
transaction concerned a lease, a sale or a mortgaging of a
property, the size and precise location will be shown, with
occupiers of adjoining properties being mentioned.

It is difficult with 'memorials' - aka as 'brief
transcripts' of the original deeds - and that's what are on
the films, and at the Registry of Deeds in Dublin, not the
original Deeds - to know exactly what was being
transacted, i.e., a Lease, or a Sale, a Mortgage, as a
phrase containing the words ' grant, bargain, sell, assign
and makeover' might be a standard feature of the legalese
involved, except you'll know if it is a mortgage by the
usual legal phrase : 'Subject to redemption'

Marriage settlements, or pre-nuptial agreements, as Deeds
were arranged between the intended couple, and their
fathers, with two independent parties, one for each side,
acting as Trustees. These might describe land grants, cash
settlements, etc, etc. and include clauses to protect the
husband's property whilst at the same time making
provisions for the wife or any children they might have,
should she be widowed. Until the late 1800's, women could
own property only if they were unmarried or widowed. The
bride and groom as well as their fathers were known as
'Grantors', with the Trustees acting as 'Grantees'.

Other Deeds , particularly during Penal times, concerned
'Protestant Discoveries' whereby any Protestant discovering
that any Catholic had property contrary to the law, such as
having a lease longer than 31 years, or paying a rent lower
than legally allowed, could be claimed by that
Protestant - oftimes a Protestant neighbour or friend did
this to help out a Catholic friend, i.e., to hold his
property in Trust for him and his family- such
'Discoveries' were registered as Deeds.

Is Mise Phádraig
[An t'Sean-Gabhar ;-)]

No Direct Replies Please.


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