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From: Anne <>
Subject: Re: [LIMERICK] Re: IRL-LIMERICK-D Digest V00 #85
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:07:58 -0600
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Frank - don't forget the possibility that ot may have been JOHANNA'S 2nd marriage. I have
the same problem (in Antrim). The mother of my person was remarried and her daughters
records were all mixed up.( Some Duffin, some McCorely or MacCarley, Duff etc.!!) You may,
therefore, be looking for a Catherine O'Brien or a Catherine REDMOND or if a second
marriage for Catherine her unknown REAL maiden name OR have you looked for various and
sometimes "outlandish" spellings for O'Brien. Just a thought.
Anne

Frank Kuhn wrote:

> For the last 20 years, I have been involved in family research on two
> distinct nationalities-----German and Irish. The latter is living
> proof of my infinite patience. It is good that I began my research
> those many years ago with my Teutonic ancestors and not my Celtic.
> Had I done other, I might have long ago given up on this fascinating
> search.
> The Irish in my family(mother's side) are truly an enigma. The
> records give written proof that these people were once solid citizens
> of a city who worked, voted, married, raised families, died and were
> buried from there respective neighborhood churches. Learning something
> of their ancestry is another story entirely.
> The Limerick ancestry is through my great grandmother CATHARINE
> O'BRIEN. She first appears in the records in Baltimore, MD. at her
> marriage to WILLIAM CAIN/KANE/CANE/KAIN in October 1865. Unlike
> German records, this marriage record in St. John the Evangelist R.C.
> Church
> gives only the name of the participants, the witnesses and the name of
> the priest. All of the children of this marriage were christened in
> this church and many were buried from it. The family lived in this
> neighborhood for years. The first mention of a county in Ireland is
> in the birth records for their children. Her county was mentioned
> frequently and consistently. LIMERICK. What was never shown was her
> town birthplace, her date of birth nor the mention of any siblings.
> In a Federal Census record for 1880 her mother JOHANNA was living with
> her and was married to a man named REDMOND. At this point, I am
> forced to make an assumption, namely that this was a second marriage
> for JOHANNA or that CATHARINE was illegitimate and that O'BRIEN was
> the maiden name of JOHANNA. I truly believe that the former was the
> case. A second marriage. None of the records however give the name
> of CATHARINE O'BRIEN CAIN'S father. Furthermore, I have thus far been
> unable to find her entry into this country. Although I have a copy of
> CATHARINE'S marriage, I have no idea where the marriage of her mother
> took place. I have searched the records of the aformentioned St.
> John's but found nothing there. I perhaps should search the records
> of other Irish parishes within the city which I have not done thus
> far. Even this however seems to be futility since it would show
> nothing about CATHARINE'S background---only the date of a marriage.
> If any one has any suggestions as to how or whether to pursue this
> search, I would welcome them. I even went to the Family History
> Center for a week last year and although I came back with wonderful
> information on the Germans, the Irish continued to mystify. Not a
> thing. I have even attempted to search Irish records but with so
> little to go on I really don't know where to begin. No date of birth,
> no father, no siblings, no town----only a county.
> Let's hear from you good Irish genealogists. Do you think that it is
> possible to find information on this lady?
>
> Frank Kuhn
>
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