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From: Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin <>
Subject: Re: Dead right : Re: Take some names :Re: Surely you.........& U.C.C. : .Re: [LMK] Re: Murtagh & Martin
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 12:01:46 -0400
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Well that's very nice of you, and gracious of you, Jane -
but I find those remarks embarrassing. For all I know about
the subject of names is what I read and retain or later
research in my library. I certainly am not an expert.

Pádraig Mór
[ An Sean-Ghabhar - Milis agus Dilis!]
[The Old Goat - Sweet and Faithful !]

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday May 05, 2005 3:13 PM
Subject: Dead right : Re: Take some names :Re: Surely
you.........& U.C.C. : .Re: [LMK] Re: Murtagh & Martin


> Dear Pádraig,
>
> You are dead right - my logic is totally illogical.
>
> The fact that I find children baptised as Martin in
parish records and see
> adults referred to as Murtagh or Murty in records - and
the bringing of the
> name Martin to Murtagh in the way that i have done is
totally illogical.
>
> Pseudo-logic as you have said.
>
> Really and truly - what do I know about it all, compared
to yourself, and
> the other experts you refer to.
>
> I totally concede to your superior knowledge as regards
Irish names.
>
> Jane
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin"
<>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 6:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Take some names :Re: Surely you.........&
U.C.C. : .Re: [LMK]
> Re: Murtagh & Martin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday May 03, 2005 5:26 PM
> Subject: Take some names :Re: Surely you.........& U.C.C.
:
> .Re: [LMK] Re: Murtagh & Martin
>
> >
> > Now, you will find Martinus in parish records - Latin
> ones.
> >
> > Martinus = Martin = Martín = Muirtín (depending on
> pronounciation)
> > Martín = Marty
> > Muirtín = Murty
> > Murty = Murtagh
> > Murtagh = Martin
> >
> To take the Irish form of Martin ( Máirtín ) and
substitute
> the ' á ' with an 'u' to account for some possible
> localised prononciation in attempting to prove that
> Murtagh = Martin is, to me, pseudo-logic.

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