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From: "jean old" <>
Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Ormsby Relation, Unknown Given Name, Date of Birth,Parents Names, etc.
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:01:08 +1100
References: <c2a4a9400711140350g5ac1d3e6kcafa5c923041097d@mail.gmail.com><439666.55454.qm@web45206.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <439666.55454.qm@web45206.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Hi
Isn,t this funny i just got an email from Ancestry Ireland
and they now have bdm on line they are putting them a few at a time
today its Dublin these will come in handy.
This will help a lot of people .
Kind regards jean
On Nov 14, 2007 10:53 PM, Oceanstrands <> wrote:
> Jean, you'll need to follow the civil registrations
> index process and cert ordering process explained
> previously to find the detail about John Ormsby. None
> of those records are available online.
>
>
>
> --- jean old <> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > I looked back on the message i got it appears John
> > Ormsby married
> > Bridget Brogan same place where my others come from
> > Nora Thornton
> > Married Richard Hughes but she was not born till
> > 1901 they all lived
> > Stonepark foxford Mayo.
> > Many thank jean
> >
> > On Nov 14, 2007 10:37 PM, Oceanstrands
> > <> wrote:
> > > Jean,
> > >
> > > To find out who the "Ormsby" relation might be,
> > > mentioned in relation to your grandmother Anne's
> > being
> > > the aunt of the grandmother Nora of someone who
> > > contacted you, and the mention of Ormsby being
> > related
> > > to them, you'd need to find out more detail about
> > who
> > > the Ormsby was, and where the relationship
> > occurred
> > > (Scotland?) when and how.
> > >
> > > There isn't enough detail about an Ormsby to find
> > out
> > > at this point who it might have been or what the
> > > relationship was.
> > >
> > > --- jean old <> wrote:
> > >
> > > s a shame though they dont give a lot on the
> > > > marriage certificate
> > > > you what makes things harder a girl got in touch
> > > > with me one day about
> > > > the Brogans thats how i foundout About Joyce i
> > sent
> > > > her all my Brogan
> > > > photos and she said she would do the same my
> > gran
> > > > was her Granny nora
> > > > Aunt
> > > > and they stayed with her a few times in Scotland
> > .I
> > > > have sent several
> > > > emails .i was so excited to have found someone
> > so
> > > > closely related but
> > > > i have not heard from her again . she also
> > mentioned
> > > > a name
> > > > Ormsiby.that was also related.. Any way what can
> > you
> > > > do at least i
> > > > found out John Brogan Martin,s Son was still
> > alive
> > > > in Stonepark
> > > > Kind regards jean
> > > > On Nov 14, 2007 12:36 AM, Oceanstrands
> > > > <> wrote:
> > > > > Jean,
> > > > >
> > > > > I searched the online 1901 County Mayo census
> > for
> > > > > Thomas and Mary Flynn McHale. Since Honor was
> > > > married
> > > > > in 1887 she would have been about 21 when she
> > > > married
> > > > > (her civil marriage record will confirm her
> > > > > approximate age) and her parents would have
> > been
> > > > at
> > > > > least 42 or older when she married. I found
> > the
> > > > > following Thomas and Mary McHales in County
> > Mayo
> > > > that
> > > > > would have been at least 42 in 1887 or at
> > least 55
> > > > or
> > > > > so or older in the 1901 census and found these
> > if
> > > > they
> > > > > were both still alive when the 1901 census was
> > > > > enumerated:
> > > > >
> > > > > Currycallaun Drum Carra Mayo Household McHale
> > > > > Thomas(65) farmer Mary(60)
> > > > > wife-Patrick(28)-Mary(26)-Bridget(23)-Kate(21)
> > > > >
> > > > > Doonanarroo Lower Kilfian Tirawley Mayo
> > Household
> > > > > McHale Thomas(80) farmer Mary(55)
> > wife-Margaret
> > > > > Brannan(60) sister in law/not married
> > > > >
> > > > > Ballyteige Addergoole Tirawley Mayo Household
> > > > McHale
> > > > > Thomas(74) farmer Nora(67) wife-James(34)
> > > > > son/married-Mary(23) dtr./married NOTE Mary
> > was
> > > > > probably a dtr. in law-John Mullarkey(14)
> > nephew
> > > > >
> > > > > Lenarevagh Kilcommon Erris Mayo Household
> > McHale
> > > > > Thomas(70) farmer/widower Mary(28) dtr./not
> > > > > married-Honor(26) dtr./not married
> > > > >
> > > > > Treanybrogaun Turlough Carra Mayo Household
> > McHale
> > > > > Thomas(60) farmer Mary(65)-Pat(26) son/not
> > > > > married-Margret(20) dtr./not married
> > > > >
> > > > > The marriage would generally be in the bride's
> > > > church
> > > > > which could be her place of birth or her
> > residence
> > > > at
> > > > > the time she married.
> > > > >
> > > > > And as I mentioned in my previous message, you
> > > > should
> > > > > get the civil marriage record for Mary's
> > marriage
> > > > to
> > > > > Martin Brogan ca 1810, Martin Brogan's civil
> > birth
> > > > > cert ca 1890 also.
> > > > >
> > > > > Because your surnames are so common in County
> > > > Mayo,
> > > > > it's important to get copies of the actual
> > records
> > > > for
> > > > > your family to be sure you have the correct
> > family
> > > > > line in the correct town or townland.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also you can search the Index of Irish Civil
> > > > > Registrations Records microfilms through your
> > > > nearest
> > > > > LDS Family History Centre for the birth
> > entries in
> > > > the
> > > > > Index for Mary Thornton Brogan and Martin
> > Brogan's
> > > > > children: Tom, Michael, John, Martin and Nora.
> > And
> > > > for
> > > > > the civil marriage entry for Nora Brogan's
> > > > marriage to
> > > > > Joe Joyce.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom, Michael, John, Martin and Nora Brogan
> > were
> > > > > probably born in the 19teens since the parents
> > > > were
> > > > > married about 1910? If Martin Brogan Jnr is
> > still
> > > > > alive, he would be probably over 90? Nora's
> > > > marriage
> > > > > to Joe Joyce would have been in the 1930's?
> > Those
> > > > are
> > > > > the date ranges you'll want to search the
> > Civil
> > > > > Registrations Index Microfilms for in addition
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > ones previously mentioned. LDS have all the
> > > > Indexes
> > > > > for births, marriages and deaths through 1958.
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin's b ca 1890 parents were John and
> > Bridget
> > > > > Brogan and John's parents were Patrick and
> > Mary
> > > > > Brogan. I didn't find Martin or his parents
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > 1901 County Mayo census. I also searched the
> > 1901
> > > > > Census for Mayo fro patrick and Mary Brogan
> > but
> > > > didn't
> > > > > find them.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you get Martin's civil birth record and his
> > > > civil
> > > > > marriage record from the General Register
> > Office
> > > > > http://www.groireland.ie you should be able to
> > > > confirm
> > > > > his
> > > > > parents names and birth location in Mayo.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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