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From: Oceanstrands <>
Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Ormsby Relation, Unknown Given Name, Date of Birth,Parents Names, etc.
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:14:20 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <c2a4a9400711140401jd687a37ycd38374a93d36103@mail.gmail.com>
Jean, would you forward a copy of the Ancestry Ireland
email to the List?
Ancestry Ireland is the Ulster Historical Foundation
and here's their website:
http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php
--- jean old <> wrote:
> Hi
> Isn,t this funny i just got an email from Ancestry
> Ireland
> and they now have bdm on line they are putting them
> a few at a time
> today its Dublin these will come in handy.
> This will help a lot of people .
> Kind regards jean
>
> On Nov 14, 2007 10:53 PM, Oceanstrands
> <> wrote:
> > Jean, you'll need to follow the civil
> registrations
> > index process and cert ordering process explained
> > previously to find the detail about John Ormsby.
> None
> > of those records are available online.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- jean old <> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > > I looked back on the message i got it appears
> John
> > > Ormsby married
> > > Bridget Brogan same place where my others come
> from
> > > Nora Thornton
> > > Married Richard Hughes but she was not born till
> > > 1901 they all lived
> > > Stonepark foxford Mayo.
> > > Many thank jean
> > >
> > > On Nov 14, 2007 10:37 PM, Oceanstrands
> > > <> wrote:
> > > > Jean,
> > > >
> > > > To find out who the "Ormsby" relation might
> be,
> > > > mentioned in relation to your grandmother
> Anne's
> > > being
> > > > the aunt of the grandmother Nora of someone
> who
> > > > contacted you, and the mention of Ormsby being
> > > related
> > > > to them, you'd need to find out more detail
> about
> > > who
> > > > the Ormsby was, and where the relationship
> > > occurred
> > > > (Scotland?) when and how.
> > > >
> > > > There isn't enough detail about an Ormsby to
> find
> > > out
> > > > at this point who it might have been or what
> the
> > > > relationship was.
> > > >
> > > > --- jean old <> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > s a shame though they dont give a lot on the
> > > > > marriage certificate
> > > > > you what makes things harder a girl got in
> touch
> > > > > with me one day about
> > > > > the Brogans thats how i foundout About Joyce
> i
> > > sent
> > > > > her all my Brogan
> > > > > photos and she said she would do the same my
> > > gran
> > > > > was her Granny nora
> > > > > Aunt
> > > > > and they stayed with her a few times in
> Scotland
> > > .I
> > > > > have sent several
> > > > > emails .i was so excited to have found
> someone
> > > so
> > > > > closely related but
> > > > > i have not heard from her again . she also
> > > mentioned
> > > > > a name
> > > > > Ormsiby.that was also related.. Any way what
> can
> > > you
> > > > > do at least i
> > > > > found out John Brogan Martin,s Son was
> still
> > > alive
> > > > > in Stonepark
> > > > > Kind regards jean
> > > > > On Nov 14, 2007 12:36 AM, Oceanstrands
> > > > > <> wrote:
> > > > > > Jean,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I searched the online 1901 County Mayo
> census
> > > for
> > > > > > Thomas and Mary Flynn McHale. Since Honor
> was
> > > > > married
> > > > > > in 1887 she would have been about 21 when
> she
> > > > > married
> > > > > > (her civil marriage record will confirm
> her
> > > > > > approximate age) and her parents would
> have
> > > been
> > > > > at
> > > > > > least 42 or older when she married. I
> found
> > > the
> > > > > > following Thomas and Mary McHales in
> County
> > > Mayo
> > > > > that
> > > > > > would have been at least 42 in 1887 or at
> > > least 55
> > > > > or
> > > > > > so or older in the 1901 census and found
> these
> > > if
> > > > > they
> > > > > > were both still alive when the 1901 census
> was
> > > > > > enumerated:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Currycallaun Drum Carra Mayo Household
> McHale
> > > > > > Thomas(65) farmer Mary(60)
> > > > > >
> wife-Patrick(28)-Mary(26)-Bridget(23)-Kate(21)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doonanarroo Lower Kilfian Tirawley Mayo
> > > Household
> > > > > > McHale Thomas(80) farmer Mary(55)
> > > wife-Margaret
> > > > > > Brannan(60) sister in law/not married
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ballyteige Addergoole Tirawley Mayo
> Household
> > > > > McHale
> > > > > > Thomas(74) farmer Nora(67) wife-James(34)
> > > > > > son/married-Mary(23) dtr./married NOTE
> Mary
> > > was
> > > > > > probably a dtr. in law-John Mullarkey(14)
> > > nephew
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lenarevagh Kilcommon Erris Mayo Household
> > > McHale
> > > > > > Thomas(70) farmer/widower Mary(28)
> dtr./not
> > > > > > married-Honor(26) dtr./not married
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Treanybrogaun Turlough Carra Mayo
> Household
> > > McHale
> > > > > > Thomas(60) farmer Mary(65)-Pat(26) son/not
> > > > > > married-Margret(20) dtr./not married
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The marriage would generally be in the
> bride's
> > > > > church
> > > > > > which could be her place of birth or her
> > > residence
> > > > > at
> > > > > > the time she married.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And as I mentioned in my previous message,
> you
> > > > > should
> > > > > > get the civil marriage record for Mary's
> > > marriage
> > > > > to
> > > > > > Martin Brogan ca 1810, Martin Brogan's
> civil
> > > birth
> > > > > > cert ca 1890 also.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because your surnames are so common in
> County
> > > > > Mayo,
> > > > > > it's important to get copies of the actual
> > > records
> > > > > for
> > > > > > your family to be sure you have the
> correct
> > > family
> > > > > > line in the correct town or townland.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also you can search the Index of Irish
> Civil
> > > > > > Registrations Records microfilms through
> your
> > > > > nearest
> > > > > > LDS Family History Centre for the birth
> > > entries in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > Index for Mary Thornton Brogan and Martin
> > > Brogan's
> > > > > > children: Tom, Michael, John, Martin and
> Nora.
> > > And
> > > > > for
> > > > > > the civil marriage entry for Nora Brogan's
> > > > > marriage to
> > > > > > Joe Joyce.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom, Michael, John, Martin and Nora Brogan
> > > were
> > > > > > probably born in the 19teens since the
> parents
> > > > > were
> > > > > > married about 1910? If Martin Brogan Jnr
> is
> > > still
> > > > > > alive, he would be probably over 90?
> Nora's
> > > > > marriage
> > > > > > to Joe Joyce would have been in the
> 1930's?
> > > Those
> > > > > are
> > > > > > the date ranges you'll want to search the
> > > Civil
> > > > > > Registrations Index Microfilms for in
> addition
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > ones previously mentioned. LDS have all
> the
> > > > > Indexes
> > > > > > for births, marriages and deaths through
> 1958.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Martin's b ca 1890 parents were John and
> > > Bridget
> > > > > > Brogan and John's parents were Patrick and
> > > Mary
> > > > > > Brogan. I didn't find Martin or his
> parents
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > 1901 County Mayo census. I also searched
> the
> > > 1901
> > > > > > Census for Mayo fro patrick and Mary
> Brogan
> > > but
> > > > > didn't
> > > > > > find them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you get Martin's civil birth record and
> his
> > > > > civil
> > > > > > marriage record from the General Register
> > > Office
> > > > > > http://www.groireland.ie you should be
> able to
> > > > > confirm
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > parents names and birth location in Mayo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > >
> > >
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