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From: "Pam Oakes" <>
Subject: Re: [JESSE-JAMES-L] KILLMAN/BROWNFIELD/BENCH/MCELROY tie?
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:31:11 -0500
References: <20010813131614.25186.qmail@web12907.mail.yahoo.com>


I know Jesse was married to my aunt Lulie Henderson, and had 2 sons Tom and
Arthur, I have a picture of them taken in 1908 in Davidson, OK. But my
Hendersons are from Brushy Creek ,TX a but they originally came from
Edinberg Scotland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Henderson" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [JESSE-JAMES-L] KILLMAN/BROWNFIELD/BENCH/MCELROY tie?


> Hi!
>
> Thanks very much for your messages!!! I don't think
> my HENDERSONs will prove to tie out to this bunch.
> It's my married name, and they're from PA and WV -
> never made it as far west as MO. Well, at least not
> any that I know of, and I don't know, even distantly,
> of any of my husband's HENDERSONs in MO.
>
> The name you gave of James KILLMAN is the one that is
> of the most interest for me. It's a James KILLMAN
> that is my brick wall - he's my great-great
> grandfather. I show James KILLMAN as being married to
> Mary Ella BROWNFIELD. But about the only evidence I
> have of him is the 1870 Pulaski Co., MO census. It
> shows him as being 19 years old and born in KY. By
> the 1880 census he's not in his wife's household, and
> I think he's dead. In the 1900 census, Mary Ella
> shows herself as a widow. So I have very little to go
> on for him - just the 1870 census. I don't know where
> he is for the 1860 census.
>
> Would love to know anything else you might be able to
> come up with on James KILLMAN - and I'm certainly open
> to any means you have of gaining information.
>
> Thanks again!!!
>
> Mary
> --- Larry Hagan <> wrote:
> > I think the names were "Bob" Henderson. James
> > Killman, Henry Brownfield,
> > Johnny "Goodtimes" Bench or JG, and Royce McElroy.
> >
> > It came to me as Jesse and Frank Killman first, and
> > they all used these as
> > names, Jesse and Frank, at one time or another, so
> > their's is probably two
> > of these. As could be the case in any others. When I
> > learn remote viewing it
> > will probably be a long list. After all my father
> > was an exact duplicate of
> > Gerald Cauthen.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mary Henderson" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 7:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [JESSE-JAMES-L]
> > KILLMAN/BROWNFIELD/BENCH/MCELROY tie?
> >
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > Thanks very much for your reply!!! I haven't
> > gotten
> > > any other replies. I am very interested in all
> > that
> > > you can tell me. My BENCH line is definitely tied
> > to
> > > that of Johnny BENCH, albeit distantly at this
> > point.
> > > But it has been traced through. So, is the BENCH
> > line
> > > connected with Jesse JAMES? And what about the
> > other
> > > names I threw out - do any of the other names show
> > up
> > > on your list? The KILLMAN name is my biggest road
> > > block right now - do you think they connect?
> > >
> > > Much of what you posted is all new to me - not
> > that I
> > > would ever have claimed to know anything about
> > Jesse
> > > JAMES. But when you talk about an inner circle of
> > 50
> > > families, what exactly does that mean. Somehow I
> > > guess I thought Jesse JAMES was just the leader of
> > a
> > > band of a few, or maybe at most a half-dozen,
> > outlaws.
> > > Was it really a much bigger "organization"? And
> > then
> > > when you say that second cousins were allowed in
> > after
> > > distinguishing themselves in combat with the
> > Banks,
> > > what exactly do you mean?
> > >
> > > Sorry to barrage you with questions :-) I'd love
> > to
> > > know anything you can tell me! Or if you can
> > point me
> > > to resources, such as web-sites, where I can find
> > > reliable info, I'd be very appreciative.
> > >
> > > Thanks so much, again, for taking the time to
> > answer
> > > my posting!
> > >
> > > Mary
> > > --- Larry Hagan <> wrote:
> > > > I sw your post and waited for someone to answer
> > you
> > > > to see how desperate
> > > > this would get. I hesitate to throw in my two
> > cents
> > > > now because there are
> > > > those that would call me a liar. But they have
> > no
> > > > proof and I'm quite
> > > > certain never will. I had a list once committed
> > to
> > > > memory of some of the
> > > > names of the original "inner circle" of 50
> > families.
> > > >
> > > > These people were all related, usually being
> > first
> > > > cousins or related by
> > > > marraige. But then they later allowed second
> > cousins
> > > > to enter into this
> > > > close inner family, after they had distinguished
> > > > themselves in combat with
> > > > the Banks.
> > > >
> > > > These all are definately original members and
> > some
> > > > are the heirs of large
> > > > estates. I'm told that Johnny Bench of baseball
> > fame
> > > > is closely related to
> > > > this Bench name. The families of the Turners and
> > the
> > > > Marshalls, who are in
> > > > that Band of the same name, I am informed have
> > > > developed a very large
> > > > information base concerning these families. But
> > have
> > > > hit dead ends because
> > > > of their hiding and changing their names after
> > the
> > > > death of Jesse James.
> > > > Axis L
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mary Henderson" <>
> > > > To: <>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:42 AM
> > > > Subject: [JESSE-JAMES-L]
> > > > KILLMAN/BROWNFIELD/BENCH/MCELROY tie?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi!
> > > > >
> > > > > My grandfather told me that we are related to
> > > > Jesse
> > > > > JAMES (however, Grandpa didn't always stick
> > > > strictly
> > > > > to the truth :-) But, on the off chance, I
> > > > thought
> > > > > I'd throw out some surnames and see if anyone
> > sees
> > > > a
> > > > > tie to any of these surnames. They all have
> > MO
> > > > roots.
> > > > >
> > > > > KILLMAN/KILMAN
> > > > > BROWNFIELD
> > > > > BENCH
> > > > > MCELROY
> > > > > NICKS
> > > > > MILLS
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks much!
> > > > > Mary
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
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