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From: François de Fleurian <>
Subject: Re: Hoffmann of Asswiller
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:37:48 +0200
In-Reply-To: <20001013071659.567.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com>


About HOFFMANN in ASSWILLER:
I saw in Hein: Schaetzung 1662 that: Johann Wilhelm HOFFMANN of (zu)
Asswiller had in 1662 properties in Tieffenbach too.

Elisabeth

> De : Brendan Wehrung <>
> Date : Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:16:59 -0700 (PDT)
> À :
> Objet : Hoffmann of Asswiller
> Renvoyer - De :
> Renvoyer - Date : Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:16:52 -0700
>
> sOMEBODY ASKED ME ABOUT HOFFMANN, AND SINCE THIS IS
> ONE FAMILY I AM NOT TOTALLY SURE OF I AM POSTING WHAT
> I HAVE (WITHIN THE LIMITS OF PASTING INTO AN E-MAIL
> WINDOW) IN THE HOPE THAT SOMEBODY WILL BE ABLE TO
> EXPAND MY KNOWLEDGE.
>
> BRENDAN WEHRUNG
>
> HOFFMANN
>
> Asswiller was once the seat of the Seigneur of
> Asswiller, a rich and powerful man with his own
> fortified chateux. As such it it was a place people
> would gravitate to, and which would have a church with
> its own pastor. Fortunes changed, and the chateux was
> pulled down. The church survived, but its books did
> not. In [NEED DATE] Pator Lamberti died, but, as a
> note inserted in the church records when they were
> filmed by the Mormons says, his book was lost by his
> successors. Thus, unless Asswiller is mentioned in
> some other village's records (very rare) no records
> applicable to genealogy exist until 1710. After that,
> they are continuous, and may be seen on LDS film #
> .
> It is difficult--impossible, given surviving
> records--to know if descent from the Hoffman families
> of Asswiller traces back to one or two ancestors. For
> the record, and not because there is any proof one way
> or the other, it is possible that HANS GEORG HOFFMANN,
> who died Mar. 29 1755 at 90 years of age was the
> father or brother to all bearing the Hoffmann name.
> The chart below is based only on conjecture and not on
> provable fact: it is based on the grouping of known
> birth dates and is consistent with the idea that they
> all sprang from one family. HEINRICH HOFFMANN [540]
> is a special case, in that nothing from which to
> derive a birth year. However, since he had to be
> around age 20 when he married, he could have been born
> no later than 1683, and was in all probality much
> older than that (his first wife, ANNA MARGARETHA [541]
> was born c1663), making him a likely brother of Hans
> Georg. This then is my guess of the relationship of
> the two Hoffmann families which make up our ancestry:
>
> [CHART WHICH GOT MESSED UP WHEN I TRIED TO PASTE IT IN
> THE NARROW WINDOW YAHOO PROVIDES]
>
> Obviously, I could be wrong, and one of the Hoffmann
> ancestors could have come from outside Asswiller,
> sicne hiw was a by no means uncommon name. So I will
> now present each family as a seperate entity,
> beginning with the older of the two.
>
> Heinrich Hoffmann
>
> There is no guarantee that records found in church
> books, other than the actual date that the even was
> recorded, will be correct. And information is often
> left out. So it is possible that Heinrich Hoffmann
> was only about 50 when he died (no age at death is
> given). But when his first wife died her age was
> given, as 50 years, and if he was just slightly older
> than her, he would ahve been born about 1660. Of
> course, if she was born in 1663, she was 41 when their
> only recorded son was born, and it there really ought
> to be more unplaced Hoffmann names than appear in the
> surviving Asswiller church books--but there are not.
> Just where Heinrich came from, and where the rest of
> his family might be will have to remain a mystery.
>
> HEINRICH HOFFMANN [540]
> d 29 Mar 1733 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> m ANNA MARGARETHA [541]
> b c1663
> d 21 Dec 1713 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> issue:
> a) JOHANN JACOB HOFFMANN
> b c2 April 1704
> d 13 Oct 1741 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> m MARIA MAGDALENA HOFFMANN [271],
> 4 Feb 1733
> b 28 Jan 1714 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 23 Oct 1784 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> [see below: FRIEDRICH HOFFMANN]
>
> 2m Anna Catharina Weiss, 12 Mar 1715
>
> Heinrich's second wife was the widow of Philipp
> Weiss of Bettwiller.
>
> * * * * *
>
> JOHANN JACOB HOFFMANN [270]
> b c2 April 1704
> d 13 Oct 1741 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> m MARIA MAGDALENA HOFFMANN [271], 4 Feb 1733
> b 28 Jan 1714 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 23 Oct 1784 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> issue:
> a) MARIA MARGARETHA HOFFMANN
> b 16 Dec 1733 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 6 June 1800 (Asswiller)
>
> m HANS THEOBOLD TEUTSCH, 9 Feb 1751 )
> b 5 Dec 1726 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> [see this chapter: TEUTSCH]
>
> b) Johann Jacob Hoffmann
> b 1 Aug 1735 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 13 Nov 1783 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> m Anna Margaretha Bieber, 11 Feb1755
>
> c) Johann Heinrich Hoffmann
> b 26 Jan 1738 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 17 Jan 1739 (Asswiller, Alsasce)
>
> d) Maria Magdalena Hoffmann
> b 18 Oct 1739 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 5 Jan 1794
> m Peter Bauer or Brumm
>
> e) Maria Rachel Hoffmann
> b 25 April 1742 (Asswiller, Alsace)
>
> * * * * *
>
> MARIA MARGARETHA HOFFMANN [135]
> b 16 Dec 1733 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 6 June 1800 (Asswiller, Bas-Rhin, FRA)
> m HANS THEOBOLD TEUTSCH [134], 9 Feb 1751
> b 5 Dec 1726 (Asswiller, Alsace)
>
> CONTINUED IN THIS CHAPTER: TEUTSCH
>
> + + + + +
>
> Friedrich Hoffmann
>
> A aproximate birth year is available for Friedrich
> Hoffmann, although like Heinrich, his first marriage
> was recorded in the church book which was lost. So he
> might have had more children than are shown here,
> although--again--they do not show up in any later
> preserved record.
>
> FRIEDRICH HOFFMANN [542]
> b c1687
> d 25 Masr 1757 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> m DORTHEA [543]
> d 18 Dec 1735 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> issue:
> a) Johann Jacob Hoffmann
> bp 22 Oct 1711 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> m Rachel Friedrich, 7 May 1737
> issue:
> a) Johann Heinrich Hoffmann
> b 13 Mar 1738 (Asswiller)
>
> b) Johann Jacob Hoffmann
> b 3 Feb 1740 Asswiller)
> d 1831
>
> b) MARIA MAGDALENA HOFFMANN [271]
> b 28 Jan 1714 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 23 Oct 1784 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> m JOHANN JACOB HOFFMANN [270]
> b c2 April 1704
> d 12 Oct 1741 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> [see above: HEINRICH HOFFMANN]
>
> c) Anna Barbara Hoffmann
> b 12 Feb 1717 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 25 Mar 1775 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> m Johann Michael Bieber, 11 Feb 1738
>
> d) Maria Julian Hoffmann
> b 31 May (bp 4 June) 1719
> d 7 Dec 1783 (Asswiller, Alsace)
>
> e) Maria Catharina Hoffmann
> b 29 Sept 1722 (Asswiller, Alsace)
>
> f) Johann Joseph Hoffmann
> b 11 Feb 1726 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 2 Jan 1728 (Asswiller, Alsace)
>
> g) Johann Georg Hoffmann
> b 16 Sept 1729 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 30 July 1783 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> m Susanna Maria Herich, 10 Oct 1754
> issue:
> a) Johann Christian Hoffmann
> b
> m Maria Eva Teutsch,
> 21 April 1778
>
> b) Johann Peter Hoffmann
> b 3 July 1759 (Asswiller)
> d 10 July 1759 (Asswiller) c) Johanna
> Elisabetha Margaretha Hoffmann
> b 28 Nov 1760 (asswiller, Alsace)
>
> 2m Anna Margaretha Schaeffer, 7 May 1737
> issue:
> h) Anna Margaretha Hoffmann
> b 23 May 1738 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 10 Aug 1778 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> m Johann Heinrich Knecht, 27 Jan1757
>
> i) Anna Christina Hoffmann
> b 8 Nov 1741 (Asswiller, Alsace)
>
> * * * * *
>
> MARIA MAGDALENA HOFFMANN [271]
> b 28 Jan 1714 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> d 23 Oct 1784 (Asswiller, Alsace)
> m JOHANN JACOB HOFFMANN [270]
> b c2 April 1704
> d 12 Oct 1741 (Asswiller, Alsace)
>
> CONTINUED ABOVE: HENIRCH HOFFMANN
>
>
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