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From: "Carolyn " <>
Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:42:05 -0500


Hello Stan,

I don't know of anyone on the Gum side that could have been
the right age (60-70) that would have been listed on the 1840
Clay Census. I also believe (no proof) this was Martha listed
in their household in 1840.

Almost everyone listed on the page with Steven Gum and on
the following couple pages after him are listed in Owsley Co.
1850 Census, so evidently, they were living in the section of
Clay County that became Owsley Co. in 1843, and did not move.

I have no proof as to where Elizabeth was born, but I have her
as being born in NC. The 1860 Owsley Co. Census list her as
being born in NC, and Stephen born in KY.

Carolyn

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> From: Stan Cornelius <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 12:42 PM
>
> Hi Carolyn
>
> Thank you. Do you know if there is someone on the GUM side who could
have
> been the 60-70 year old woman in the household in 1840?
>
> Also, I have seen some posts where Elizabeth is listed as born in NC. Do
you
> have any idea upon what that conclusion is based? Do you know if Stephen
> and Elizabeth are in the same place for the 1840 and 1850 census?
>
> Thanks
> Stan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carolyn <>
> To: <>
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 7:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
>
>
> >Stan,
> >
> >Stephen and Elizabeth were listed in Owsley Co. Census in 1850.
> >However, Martha isn't listed in the household.
> >
> >#565 Travelers Rest (Owsley Co. 1850)
> >Stephen Gum 50 m farmer $1000 KY
> >Elizabeth 45 f KY
> >Lucinda 13 f KY
> >Margaret 12 f KY
> >Sally 10 f KY
> >Milley 8 f KY
> >Stephen 6 m KY
> >William 3 m KY
> >
> >----------
> >> From: Stan Cornelius <>
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
> >> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 2:56 AM
> >>
> >> Carolyn
> >>
> >> Do you have Stephen and Elizabeth in 1850. In the 1840 census of Clay
> >co.,
> >> I think that Martha Cornelius Brown(possibly nee AMBROSE) is living
with
> >> them. Is she still alive and with them in 1850? Do you have any
other
> >> explanation for the 60-70 year old female living with them in 1840?
> >Martha
> >> BROWN age 50-60 is listed in the 1830 Clay co census as head of
household
> >> even though there is a 50-60 year old male in the house. This may be
due
> >to
> >> the fact that in 1826 accoding to Jillson's Patsey CORNELIUS was
granted
> >50
> >> acres of land on Rockhouse Fork and Sturgeon Creek. In 1828 Patsey
> >> CORNELIUS md Benjamin BROWN. I believe Patsey to be the widow of John
> >> CORNELIUS who is in the 1820 Clay co census and that they are parents
of
> >> Elizabeth.
> >>
> >> Also in 1840 Clay co census Nancy CORNELIUS is nearby the PHILLIPS and
> >> AMBROSE clan in Clay. She is Mrs. John INMAN and sister, I believe,
to
> >> Elizabeth, wife of Stephen GUM. Nancy and John were married in Clay
co
> >in
> >> 1833. In 1850 they are living next door to my Andrew in Laurel co.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Stan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Carolyn <>
> >> To: <>
> >> Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 7:54 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
> >>
> >>
> >> >Stan,
> >> >Good question!
> >> >I've been spending so much of time on my more direct
> >> >paternal and maternal lines that I've had little time to
> >> >devote to others. Just not enough hours in a day!
> >> >But it is strange that 'someone' hasn't done more
> >> >research on that Cornelius line.
> >> >
> >> >Carolyn
> >> >
> >> >----------
> >> >> From: Stan Cornelius <>
> >> >> To:
> >> >> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
> >> >> Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 11:35 PM
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Carolyn
> >> >>
> >> >> I wonder why with so much good information available on the GUM
family
> >> >and
> >> >> some of the families that married into the GUM family that
Elizabeth
> >> >> CORNELIUS has not been thoroughly investigated. Did early
researchers
> >> >find
> >> >> something untoward? It almost appears that no one has even tried
to
> >> >> accumulate info on Elizabeth. Strange!
> >> >>
> >> >> Elizabeth is not my direct ancestor, nor Jess's direct ancestor,
yet
> >we
> >> >seem
> >> >> to have more info on her than her descendants. Why?
> >> >>
> >> >> Just thought I would ask>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Stan
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Carolyn <>
> >> >> To: <>
> >> >> Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 6:05 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >Hi Stan,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I wish I had more info. on Elizabeth, but you probably already
have
> >more
> >> >> >than I do. If you find any more on her, please let me know, I
would
> >> >love
> >> >> >to have more info.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Like you, I have no proof that John and Martha were even her
parents,
> >> >and
> >> >> >Jess had more information on her siblings than I did.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Sorry I couldn't be of help.
> >> >> >Carolyn
> >> >> >
> >> >> >----------
> >> >> >> From: Stan Cornelius <>
> >> >> >> To:
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
> >> >> >> Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 5:22 PM
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hi Carolyn
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My question was more about what information you had on siblings
or
> >> >> >ancestors
> >> >> >> of Elizabeth. I believe her to be the daughter of John and
Martha
> >> >Patsey
> >> >> >> CORNELIUS and that she had siblings William(who md Decy PARRIS
or
> >> >FARRIS)
> >> >> >in
> >> >> >> Clay in 1822 and sister Millie who md a Joel DAVIS in Clay co
in
> >> >1826.
> >> >> >A
> >> >> >> James and a Zion are also probably brothers. Nancy who md John
> >INMAN
> >> >in
> >> >> >> Clay co in 1833 and Andrew who md Elizabeth SIMPSON in Laurel in
> >1838
> >> >are
> >> >> >> probably also siblings.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Elizabeth SIMPSON's mother was Deborah Phillips SIMPSON and
there
> >are
> >> >> >some
> >> >> >> unresolved PHILLIPS questions on Deborah. But that is another
> >story,
> >> >one
> >> >> >at
> >> >> >> a time.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Since you are a descendant of Elizabeth CORNELIUS, I was hoping
> >that
> >> >you
> >> >> >had
> >> >> >> traced her line as well and had some information that I did not.
> >I
> >> >> >think
> >> >> >> it better that you probably read my message to Jess first, but
just
> >to
> >> >> >say
> >> >> >> that if Elizabeth was the daughter of John living in the
Sturgeon
> >> >Creek
> >> >> >> area, then the first evidence of that family is the 1815 Clay
> >county
> >> >tax
> >> >> >> list. The 1820 census indicates from the ages that there may be
> >more
> >> >> >than
> >> >> >> one family living in John CORNELIUS household.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> CHESTNUTs are also somehow involved, though not in my direct
line.
> >I
> >> >> >know
> >> >> >> that they married into the GUM family and were listed as heirs
in
> >my
> >> >John
> >> >> >> SIMPSON's, father of Elizabeth SIMPSON and husband of Deborah
> >> >PHILLIPS,
> >> >> >will
> >> >> >> in the 1840's. How and when these families, or parts of them,
got
> >> >from
> >> >> >> Sturgeon Creek to Rockcastle River is also of great interest and
> >may
> >> >> >explain
> >> >> >> alot.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jess Wilson and Robert Smith have been a big help, but still
many
> >> >> >unanswered
> >> >> >> questions. As a descendant of Elizabeth CORNELIUS, perhaps you
can
> >> >help
> >> >> >me
> >> >> >> to determine her ancestry and names of siblings?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> >> Stan
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The fact is I can prove none of this. Earlier today I responded
to
> >a
> >> >> >> message from Jess Wilson about my query to you on Stephen GUM
and
> >> >> >Elizabeth
> >> >> >> CORNELIUS and in that message is much more detailed information.
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: Carolyn <>
> >> >> >> To: <>
> >> >> >> Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 9:15 AM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Hi Stan,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Stephen Gum was born 1798 in KY, and died Aft. 1880 in Owsley
Co.,
> >> >KY.
> >> >> >He
> >> >> >> >married Elizabeth Cornelious December 14, 1822 in Clay Co., KY.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Children of Stephen Gum and Elizabeth Cornelious are:
> >> >> >> >1 Eady Gum, b. 12-18-1833, d. 05-19-1884
> >> >> >> > in Jackson Co., KY (Doolittle Cemetery).
> >> >> >> >2 Lucinda Gum, b. 11-15-1835
> >> >> >> >3 Margaret (Peggy) Gum, b. 11-27-1838 in Clay Co.,
> >> >> >> > d. 11-27-1912 in Owsley Co. (Ledford graveyard).
> >> >> >> >4 Sally Gum, b. 1840
> >> >> >> >5 Milly (Millie) Gum, b. 1842
> >> >> >> >6 Steven Gum, Jr., b. 1844
> >> >> >> >7 William Gum, b. 1847
> >> >> >> >8 John Gum, b. Abt. 1851
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >My line is through Margaret (Peggy), she married
> >> >> >> >Joseph Wood, Sr. 1859 in Owsley Co.,
> >> >> >> >son of Samuel Wood.
> >> >> >> >I have their descendants if you want them.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Carolyn
> >> >> >> >----------
> >> >> >> >> From: Stan Cornelius <>
> >> >> >> >> To:
> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
> >> >> >> >> Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 3:19 AM
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Hi Carolyn
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Stephen GUM md Elizabeth CORNELIUS in Clay co in 1822. Do
you
> >have
> >> >> >any
> >> >> >> >info
> >> >> >> >> on her family or know of a GUM researcher who may have info?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Stan
> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >> From: Carolyn <>
> >> >> >> >> To: <>
> >> >> >> >> Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 11:54 PM
> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Hi Beverly,
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I believe you are correct, here's what I have on William's
> >> >> >> >> >siblings.
> >> >> >> >> >Rachel Gum, b. 1784-1789
> >> >> >> >> >Abraham Gum, b. Abt. 1790
> >> >> >> >> >Eady Gum, b. 1791-1797
> >> >> >> >> >Sara Gum, b. 1790-1794
> >> >> >> >> >William Gum, Jr., b. Abt. 1793
> >> >> >> >> >Elias Gum, b. Abt 1796
> >> >> >> >> >Stephen Gum, b. 1798
> >> >> >> >> >Celia Gum, b. 1804
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Their father was William Gum,Sr., b. 1760-1770, d. 1836
> >> >> >> >> >in the section of Clay Co., KY that is now Owsley.
> >> >> >> >> >I don't have Mother's name, b. 1760-1770, d. Aft 1840.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >William (b. 1760-1770) Gum's father was
> >> >> >> >> >John Gum, b. 1715-1724, d. Abt. 1802
> >> >> >> >> >and his mother was Alice (or Alisi) Fisher?
> >> >> >> >> >(I haven't found proof of the name Fisher.)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >John's parents was
> >> >> >> >> >John Gum, Sr. b. Abt. 1680, d. Bef. 1736, and
> >> >> >> >> >Frances (Potter ?) b. Abt. 1685
> >> >> >> >> >(I haven't found proof of the name Potter.)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Hope this will be of some help.
> >> >> >> >> >Carolyn
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >----------
> >> >> >> >> >> From: BEVERLY J BOLES <>
> >> >> >> >> >> To:
> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum
> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 9:23 PM
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Carolyn,
> >> >> >> >> >> I think the William GUM, born 1760-1770 would be my guy.
> >Sarah
> >> >> >> >Elizabeth
> >> >> >> >> >> GUM was married in 1807, and was born abt 1790. The
William
> >GUM
> >> >> >born
> >> >> >> >> >1793
> >> >> >> >> >> was probably her brother. Any ideas of who the mother
was?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, Beverly
> >> >> >

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