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From: "Bev" <>
Subject: Re: [KYCLAY] WAGES-WAGERS-STEWART-SMITH
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:06:57 -0400
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I know for a fact that tracing births when you think you really know the
facts can sometimes be tricky, especially when the parents die young. My
fathers side of the family came from Clay County. My mother was from Tenn.
Her mother died when she was 2 and her father died when she was 12. Her
older sister (14 and 16 years older) told her that her birthday was on Jan.
26. Well at around the age of 58, my mother decided to get her birth
certificate which she had never seen. We sent off for it and it took
forever to come. She would go to the mail box everyday hoping to it would
be there. Finally after about 4 months it arrived. Her birthday was Jan 23
not the 26th and her middle name was spelled May not the Mae that she had
been believed it to be. At first she said it had to be a mistake. My aunt
(not twins) were both 2 years older than they thought they were when they
got their certificates. I told her if they didn't even know how old they
were it was very likely they were wrong about her date of birth. It is hard
to believe that your birthday is on a particular day for almost 60 years and
then have to change it. A few years later we think we figured out how the
mistake happen. She had another sister who was 10 years older that had been
a ward of the state since her mother death, because she was mentally
retarded. My mother thought she was dead for years, but did find her. The
lady at the group home told us that my aunts birthday is Jan 26. My other
aunts must have gotten them mixed up. My grandfather who was born around
1880 didn't know when his own birthday was. He took my grandmothers as his.
All of this doesn't make it easy but knowing the why and how things happen
help to understand the errors.

Bev


> Errors had some underlying reason.
>
>
> Seems to me that no matter the underlying reason the genealogy data if it
is
> searchable can always be a clue to finding the genealogy trees that we are
> seeking. Take the example where a child is supposed to be raised by
another
> family. We seldom learn "why" without more research.
>

> In the message by BEV she writes an interesting passage that conflicts
with
> the various census records quoted:
> > JOHN in CA (Born Leslie County)

I don't think wrote this.

Bev
>
> > ORIGINAL MESSAGE > >
> Thanks to everyone who replied. This explains a lot.
> > Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings
of
> the name <<
> > All I know he did go by Ules (sp?), he had black curly hair, was a big
man,
> > and was lazy. This is all my father remembers of him.
> > Ulyses's daughter Lula was my grandmother. Her mother died when she was
2.
>
> > She was raised by her grandparents (Benge).
> > The parents names were handwritten and are a different handwritting than
> the rest of the certificate. John was one of my guesses of the first name
of
> Ulyses father.
> > It shows he was buried in Speed Smith Cementary in Clay County. He died
> from infectious diarrhea in 1958.
> > Bev > >
>
> In a message dated 5/6/2003 9:30:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
> << Bev,
> > Oct. 26, 1869, Jackson Wagers married Josephine Stewart. Josephine was
a
> d/o Thomas Stewart (Baptist Minister in Clay Co.) and Perthenia Smith.
> > (I descend from another of their daughters.)
> > On the 1870 Clay Census, Dist. 8, HH# 74, we find Wagers, John, age 20,
and
> Josephine, age 30.
> Johny Wagers and Josephine Stewart registered the birth of a son Julius,
born
> August 6, 1876. At that time, Josephine's sister Marinda, my ancester,
> was married to Julius Smith.
> > Julius went by the name Eulas, Ulis, Ules, and various other spellings
of
> the name.
>
> > Joyce has given you a John Wagers and wife Jane with a son Julius in HH#
> 316-316. Looking at the same annotated 1880 Clay Census, in HH# 118-118
is
> another John Wagers, age 36, with a wife Jane, age 21, children Mary, age
2
> and Kittie, age 1. The annotated census also says this John Wagers
married
> Jane Hollin 11-16-1876.
>
> > Josephine had a sister named Susan and a sister named Patsy. I believe
the
> "Jane" in HH# 316-316 is Josephine Stewart. I don't know if the
transcriber
> misread her name or if Jane was part of her name.
>
> > According to the annotated census, John Wagers was a s/o Moses Wagers
and
> Zilphia Smith.
> > Betty Smith Eddy
> <<<<<<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>>>>>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joyce Collins To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003
> Subject: [KYCLAY] josie stewart and wagers
>
> > RESPONSE:
> > I am looking at the annotated 1880 Clay Co. Fed. Census right now and
it
> may be from the information listed here that Josie STEWART may or may not
> have been his mother. I am not related. Simply passing on the information
> from the census as follows:
>
> Dwelling 316-316
> WAGES, John, 32, b. KY; parents b. KY
> . .Jane, 38, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY
> . .Patsy, 7, b. KY
> . .Julius, 3, b. KY (I this is your Ulyses)
> . .Susan, 1, b. KY
>
> > John WAGES married lst to Josephine STEWART abt. 1870 and married 2nd to
> Jane HOLLIN on 11-16-1876 in Clay Co., KY
>
> > I don't know anything about the Kentucky State Hospital at Boyle Co.
> However, he might have had tuberculosis or something like that that
required
> a long stay back then.What was the medical diagnosis on the death cert?
> Joyce Taylor Collins
> La Palma, CA
> > <<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>>
> ORIGINAL Message text written by INTERNET:
> > I need help. I just got the death certificate for my greatgrandfather
> Ulyses Wagers. It shows his mother as Josie Stewart. I am having problems
> reading the fathers first name. It starts with a Jo and the rest can be
left
> to the imagination. Ulyses was born in Clay County in 1875. He died in
the
> Kentucky State Hospital in Boyle County. Does anyone know what kind of
> hospital this was? The certificate shows him being there 8 months.
> Bev >>
>

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