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From: "Sally" <>
Subject: Re: [LAN] 1881 census check for Halliwall, Bolton, Farnworth area
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:11:20 -0500
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My understanding is that it was not something they necessarily asked either,
just that the person volunteered the information. I guess there was no
standard for establishing that. I have a couple of them where I know for a
fact the father was deceased but it's not noted.

*sigh* Scottish records are a real treat- you get both parents names,
including mothers maiden name, on birth, marriage and death certificates,
and you are told if they are deceased. Why English records of the era are so
chary with information I don't know- US records of that time are also much
more informative.


Sally Taylor (nee Donaldson)
Boxborough, MA USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandi" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [LAN] 1881 census check for Halliwall, Bolton, Farnworth area


> Hi, the marriage cert in 1886 doesn't say dec'd like it does for the
grooms
> father, so I don't know
>
> Sandi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sally" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [LAN] 1881 census check for Halliwall, Bolton, Farnworth area
>
>
> > I wonder if Robert and/or Sarah died before 1881, as there don't seem to
> be
> > any households with head Robert and Wife Sarah of the right ages, with
or
> > without an Alice present.
> > Sally Taylor (nee Donaldson)
> > Boxborough, MA USA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sandi" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 1:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [LAN] 1881 census check for Halliwall, Bolton, Farnworth
area
> >
> >
> > > thanks for checking - Robert is listed as being a Labourer on the
> marriage
> > > doc and as a labourer in a brickyard on the birth reg.
> > > On the birth reg it was registered in Farnworth in the county of
> > Lancaster.
> > >
> > > Sandi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sally" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [LAN] 1881 census check for Halliwall, Bolton, Farnworth
> area
> > >
> > >
> > > > In 1881, the residents of 4 Eskrick St were:
> > > >
> > > > Dwelling: No 4 Eskrick St
> > > > Census Place: Halliwell, Lancashire, England
> > > > Source: FHL Film 1341914 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3824 Folio 4
> > > Page
> > > > 1
> > > > Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> > > > James ASHWORTH M 50 M Rossendale, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Head
> > > > Occ: Cotton Yarn Dresser Unemployed
> > > > Ann ASHWORTH M 56 F Dean, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Wife
> > > > Occ: Housework
> > > > Alice ASHWORTH U 24 F Bolton, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Daur
> > > > Occ: WeaverIn Cotton Mill
> > > > James ASHWORTH U 20 M Bolton, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Son
> > > > Occ: Carver Gilder
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What is her fathers occupation on the marriage certificate? That
might
> > > help
> > > > narrow it down on the 1881.
> > > > There is one family that's close, but Alice's age os off by 3 years,
> and
> > > the
> > > > wifes name is different (although could be 2nd wife- gap in
children's
> > > ages
> > > > sometimes signifies a 2nd marriage)
> > > >
> > > > Dwelling: Lower Engine Row
> > > > Census Place: Standish With Langtree, Lancashire, England
> > > > Source: FHL Film 1341899 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3758 Folio 88
> > > Page
> > > > 24
> > > > Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> > > > Robert ATHERTON M 39 M Wigan, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Head
> > > > Occ: Coal Miner
> > > > Elizabeth ATHERTON M 40 F Wigan, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Wife
> > > > Samuel ATHERTON U 6 M Wigan, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Son
> > > > Alice ATHERTON U 14 F Wigan, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Daur
> > > > Occ: Cotton Weaver
> > > > Ellen ATHERTON U 3 F Standish, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Daur
> > > > Margret DOOTSON U 18 F Leigh, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Boarder
> > > > Occ: Cotton Weaver
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are a couple of Alice's that could be her living as a Boarder
or
> > > > Lodger in 1881, but the birthplaces don't match precisely.
> > > >
> > > > Dwelling: 83 Halliwell New Rd
> > > > Census Place: Halliwell, Lancashire, England
> > > > Source: FHL Film 1341914 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3825 Folio 38
> > > Page
> > > > 23
> > > > Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> > > > Edward FEARNLEY M 57 M Halliwell, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Head
> > > > Occ: Gen Labourer
> > > > Martha FEARNLEY M 54 F Blackford Bridge, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Wife
> > > > Elizabeth FEARNLEY U 22 F Astley Bridge, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Daur
> > > > Occ: Cotton Doubler
> > > > Martha FEARNLEY U 16 F Astley Bridge, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Daur
> > > > Occ: Cotton Weaver
> > > > James FEARNLEY 14 M Halliwell, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Son
> > > > Occ: Cloggers Apprentice
> > > > Alice ATHERTON U 17 F Halshaw Moor, Lancashire, England
> > > > Rel: Lodger
> > > > Occ: Cotton Card Room Hand
> > > >
> > > > Sally Taylor (nee Donaldson)
> > > > Boxborough, MA USA
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Sandi" <>
> > > > To: <>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 10:30 AM
> > > > Subject: [LAN] 1881 census check for Halliwall, Bolton, Farnworth
area
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi could sks please check a family for me in the 1881 census. I
> > > > > know they were at 4 Eskrick St in Halliwall in Lancaster in 1886
> > when
> > > > Alice
> > > > > got married.
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert Atherton born abt 1842
> > > > > Sarah born abut 1843
> > > > > known child Alice born June 17, 1864 in Plaxton Place,
> Farnworth,
> > > > Lancashire, England
> > > > >
> > > > > I am hoping to also find if there were any siblings to Alice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many thanks
> > > > > Sandi
> > > > >
> > > > >
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