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From: "Audrey and David Thomas" <>
Subject: Re: [LAN] Hill 1881 Census
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:00:51 +1000
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Hello Eric,

For months now I have seen your name on the Lancsgen list and have wondered
if you are the Eric Rawcliffe that David Fielding mentioned from time to
time when we were both at the Wimpey Central Laboratories? We both graduated
from "TECH" as, I believe, you did(assuming you are the same person).

Hope to hear from you.

David Thomas, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "EricRawcliffe" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: [LAN] Hill 1881 Census


> James
> Here are some thoughts for you.
> a) I suggest that the two Philip HILL references you give are not the same
> person - ages and birth places are too dissimilar and the family
> connection doesn't work well (see b)
> b) All of the HILL references from 1871 except Philip can be found in
> 1881, but all with the 1871 family name of PAINTER (Matthew, Mary, Mary E,
> John, Henry and Alice at 165 Park Road, Parr; Nancy as servant in ALKER
> household, Haydock, Simeon at Broad Oak, Parr, Matthew at Chancery Lane,
> Parr and James at 178 Park Road, Parr)
> c) This leads me to think that the Philip HILL you seek probably wasn't a
> HILL at all and a lazy enumerator used ditto somewhere - probably worth
> going back a generation to find Philip's birth in the extended family and
> then working forward again from there
> HTH, Eric
>
> P.S. Lynne (Admin)
> Sorry for the big attachment but this one is particularly relevant to the
> e-mail
> E
>
> <<
> Hi Lynn
> Many thanks for your response. Philip was single in the 1871 Census and
> married in 1873 so have included 1891 Census as well. Hope this helps. It
> would be good to fill in the gap.
> Jim
> RG10/3866/ / 54
> 150 Park Road, Parr
> Matthew PAINTER, Head, Married, Male, 43, Coal Miner, Lancashire, Ashton
> Mary PAINTER, Wife, Married, Female, 35, , Lancashire, Ashton
> Simeon HILL, Son, Unmarried, 15, Coal Miner, Lancashire, Ashton
> Matthew HILL, Son, Unmarried, Male, 13, Coal Miner, Lancashire, Parr
> James HILL, Son, Unmarried, Male, 11, Coal Miner, Lancashire, Parr
> Mary E HILL, Daughter, Unmarried, Female, 9, , Lancashire, Parr
> Nancy HILL, Daughter, , Female, 7, , Lancashire, Parr
> John HILL, Son, , Male, 5, , Lancashire, Parr
> Henry HILL, Son, , Male, 2, , Lancashire, Parr
> Alice HILL, Daughter, , Female, 4 months, , Lancashire, Parr
> Philip HILL, Nephew, , Male, 16, Coal Miner, Lancashire, Ashton
>
> RG12/3024/ /62 Park Road, Parr
> Philip HILL, Head, Married, Male, 39, Coal Miner, Employed, Lancashire,
> Haydock
> Elizabeth HILL, Wife, Married, Female, 44, , , Lancashire, Haydock
> William HILL, Son, Single, Male, 16, Cole miner's assistant, Employed,
> Lancashire, Whiston
> Philip HILL, Son, Single, Male, 14, Plate Glass Labourer, Employed,
> Lancashire, St Helens
> Robert HILL, Son, Single, Male, 8, Scholar, , Lancashire, St Helens
> James HILL, Son, Single, Male, 6, Scholar, . Lancashire, St Helens
> Joseph HILL, Son, Single, Male, 2, , , Lancashire, St Helens
> Elizabeth HILL, Daughter, , Female, 1, , , Lancashire, St Helens
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