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From: "David Zincavage" <>
Subject: Re: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:29:56 -0700
References: <00b201c32974$b9ed7d00$4b2d0344@ph.cox.net> <002901c32990$b31e6950$210110ac@THINKPAD> <001601c329cc$6ef62c40$4b2d0344@ph.cox.net> <002301c329d5$e7faebe0$210110ac@THINKPAD> <006f01c329d9$ed858b20$4b2d0344@ph.cox.net>


Clearly it originated from a locality with a name based on the root _stary_
"old." The armorials indicate that one of the armigerous families came
(and undoubtedly derived their name) from Starynki in the district of Minsk.
The palatinate of Minsk was part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania from the
mid-13th century up to the Partitions. These supposed three armigerous
families all really appear to be the same: a family descended from Tartar
princes, which converted to Christianity at an early date sometime after
they settled in Lithuania. Using the Doliwa arms, they must have had some
sort of ties to the Ginwil>Onacz family adopted at Horodlo.

----- Original Message -----
From: "shamrock612" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname


> Thank you again.. Gosh David.. You really have so much information.. and
> Wiliness to help.. Thank you so very much .. I wonder Where this surname
> could have been from? was it from Poland? and still in Poland ..or could
it
> be from Lithuania close to Poland? the family says they are Lithuanian..
> Anyway.. Thanks again for everything.. Bye for now.. Beth (Knappenberger)
> Rachas :)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Zincavage" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname
>
>
> > The usual estimate is that 80% of the Pre-Partitions nobility were
> > subsequently declassed by the policies of the occupying powers. It
should
> > be noted that a significant percentage of the Polish-Lithuanian knightly
> > estate were quite poor. Many lived in small villages, like the
> Dobrzynskis
> > in Pan Tadeusz, where everyone was related and had the same last name.
> Some
> > worked as servants for the wealthy nobility, like Gerwazy Protazy in Pan
> > Tadeusz. Some were even completely without land. By the 18th century,
it
> > was common for families to have forgotten their coat of arms. And by
the
> > emigration era, all this sort of thing was often ancient forgotten
> history.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "shamrock612" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 5:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname
> >
> >
> > > Dear David,..
> > >
> > > Thank you once again .. for all your wonderful information ...
and
> > > input.. And thank you for the site information on the coat of arms..
I
> > > really liked that.. I just wish the family members that are still here
> > would
> > > talk to me about this... I guess it is some huge family secret.. no
> ones
> > > talkin... Thanks again..
> > >
> > > Bye for now.. Beth (Knappenberger) Rachas :)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Zincavage" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname
> > >
> > >
> > > > -aite is the unmarried female suffix. Vanagas et. al. (1989) found
0
> > > > Starinkas, but they did find 16 Starinskas. This would be a
> > > lithuanianized
> > > > spelling of the Polish locational surname Starynski. The toponymic
> root
> > > > would be the Polish _stary_ "old."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kasprzycki [XI:155-157]:
> > > >
> > > > STARZYNSKI or STARYNSKI
> > > > Arms Doliwa, recorded circa 1550; nobility confirmations: 1782,
1783,
> > > 1787,
> > > > 1825; from Podolia &c.
> > > > --Gol/uchowski, Borkowski.
> > > >
> > > > STARZYNSKI or STARYNSKI
> > > > Arms Doliwa, recorded corca 1490; a member of which family confirmed
> > > > nobility in 1799; from Starynki in the district of Minsk. A
> > christianized
> > > > Tartar family.
> > > > --Dziadulewicz.
> > > >
> > > > STARZYNSKI or STARYNSKI
> > > > Arms unknown, recorded circa 1525; a princely Tartar family, a
branch
> of
> > > > Juszenski.
> > > > --Dziadulewicz
> > > >
> > > > You can see the Doliwa arms at:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.polonium.de/docs/ciekawostki/herby/win/index.html
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "shamrock612" <>
> > > > To: <>
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 7:06 PM
> > > > Subject: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hello list,...
> > > > >
> > > > > Well I have just found out what the right spelling of My
> husbands
> > > > Grandmother's maiden name was.. From a very nice Lady that did a
> little
> > > > research for me...(Thank you very much Lynn).. She found that the
> > > spelling
> > > > of the Starinski last name was STARINKAITE ... What does the last
> > name
> > > > mean.. Where might it be from .. It is a need to know bases .. and
I
> > > NEED
> > > > TO KNOW.. Hahahahah.. Thank you so very much ..
> > > > >
> > > > > Bye For Now .. Beth ( Knappenberger) Rachas :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
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