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From: "shamrock612" <>
Subject: Re: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:59:06 -0700
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Dear David,..

I really can't Thank you enough .. I am doing this research with blinders
on.. I really know very little about Lithuania.. and even less about this
family and were they came from.. so again I say Thank you for all your
insight and Help! ...
Bye for now .. Beth (Knappenberger) Rachas :)


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Zincavage" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname


> Clearly it originated from a locality with a name based on the root
_stary_
> "old." The armorials indicate that one of the armigerous families came
> (and undoubtedly derived their name) from Starynki in the district of
Minsk.
> The palatinate of Minsk was part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania from the
> mid-13th century up to the Partitions. These supposed three armigerous
> families all really appear to be the same: a family descended from Tartar
> princes, which converted to Christianity at an early date sometime after
> they settled in Lithuania. Using the Doliwa arms, they must have had
some
> sort of ties to the Ginwil>Onacz family adopted at Horodlo.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shamrock612" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname
>
>
> > Thank you again.. Gosh David.. You really have so much information..
and
> > Wiliness to help.. Thank you so very much .. I wonder Where this
surname
> > could have been from? was it from Poland? and still in Poland ..or
could
> it
> > be from Lithuania close to Poland? the family says they are
Lithuanian..
> > Anyway.. Thanks again for everything.. Bye for now.. Beth
(Knappenberger)
> > Rachas :)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Zincavage" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname
> >
> >
> > > The usual estimate is that 80% of the Pre-Partitions nobility were
> > > subsequently declassed by the policies of the occupying powers. It
> should
> > > be noted that a significant percentage of the Polish-Lithuanian
knightly
> > > estate were quite poor. Many lived in small villages, like the
> > Dobrzynskis
> > > in Pan Tadeusz, where everyone was related and had the same last name.
> > Some
> > > worked as servants for the wealthy nobility, like Gerwazy Protazy in
Pan
> > > Tadeusz. Some were even completely without land. By the 18th
century,
> it
> > > was common for families to have forgotten their coat of arms. And by
> the
> > > emigration era, all this sort of thing was often ancient forgotten
> > history.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "shamrock612" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 5:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear David,..
> > > >
> > > > Thank you once again .. for all your wonderful information ...
> and
> > > > input.. And thank you for the site information on the coat of
arms..
> I
> > > > really liked that.. I just wish the family members that are still
here
> > > would
> > > > talk to me about this... I guess it is some huge family secret.. no
> > ones
> > > > talkin... Thanks again..
> > > >
> > > > Bye for now.. Beth (Knappenberger) Rachas :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "David Zincavage" <>
> > > > To: <>
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -aite is the unmarried female suffix. Vanagas et. al. (1989)
found
> 0
> > > > > Starinkas, but they did find 16 Starinskas. This would be a
> > > > lithuanianized
> > > > > spelling of the Polish locational surname Starynski. The
toponymic
> > root
> > > > > would be the Polish _stary_ "old."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kasprzycki [XI:155-157]:
> > > > >
> > > > > STARZYNSKI or STARYNSKI
> > > > > Arms Doliwa, recorded circa 1550; nobility confirmations: 1782,
> 1783,
> > > > 1787,
> > > > > 1825; from Podolia &c.
> > > > > --Gol/uchowski, Borkowski.
> > > > >
> > > > > STARZYNSKI or STARYNSKI
> > > > > Arms Doliwa, recorded corca 1490; a member of which family
confirmed
> > > > > nobility in 1799; from Starynki in the district of Minsk. A
> > > christianized
> > > > > Tartar family.
> > > > > --Dziadulewicz.
> > > > >
> > > > > STARZYNSKI or STARYNSKI
> > > > > Arms unknown, recorded circa 1525; a princely Tartar family, a
> branch
> > of
> > > > > Juszenski.
> > > > > --Dziadulewicz
> > > > >
> > > > > You can see the Doliwa arms at:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.polonium.de/docs/ciekawostki/herby/win/index.html
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "shamrock612" <>
> > > > > To: <>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 7:06 PM
> > > > > Subject: [LITHUANIA-L] Starinkaite surname
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello list,...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well I have just found out what the right spelling of My
> > husbands
> > > > > Grandmother's maiden name was.. From a very nice Lady that did a
> > little
> > > > > research for me...(Thank you very much Lynn).. She found that the
> > > > spelling
> > > > > of the Starinski last name was STARINKAITE ... What does the
last
> > > name
> > > > > mean.. Where might it be from .. It is a need to know bases ..
and
> I
> > > > NEED
> > > > > TO KNOW.. Hahahahah.. Thank you so very much ..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bye For Now .. Beth ( Knappenberger) Rachas :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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