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Subject: Re: [LITTLEJOHN] Mungo Murray to Anne Murray to Oliver Littlejohn
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:43:57 -0000


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Author: tlittlejohn54
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Daniel,

Thanks for sharing all of that info. In the short time I have been researching the lineage, I had stumbled onto several of the connections that you mentioned, but not all of them. It is fascinating. When you state in point (a) that we are eleven times descended from Robert the Bruce, do you mean there are eleven different threads through the lineage from Mungo Murray back to Robert I? I have only found two, and one of them was Helen Douglas, as I mentioned to you in earlier email, and recent online info I have found is contradictory.

Helen was the daughter of William Douglas, 2nd Earl of Angus, and Margaret Hay. William connects to Robert de Bruce through his mother, Mary Steward, daughter of Robert III. Helen Douglas married William Graham, 2nd Lord Graham. My genealogy text states their son was William Graham, 3rd Lord Graham, 1st Earl of Montrose. My text quotes Complete Peerage, 2nd ed. His descendants, of course include Mungo, Anne, Oliver, and the rest of us.

The contradiction I have found online at several sites shows that William, 2nd Lord Graham, remarried when Helen passed, and that William, 3rd Lord Graham is the son of the 2nd wife, not Helen. Thus, this link to Robert de Bruce through Helen Douglas is broken!?

I would love input on this. Can these Peerage texts be accessed online? Does anyone have documentation that supports William, 3rd Lord Graham as Helen's offsrping. My genealogy text was compiled in 1953, and refs Burkes and Scots Peerage in many places, but I have found other errors.

I would love to see some of the other lineage threads that you have traced. I will try searching by name online.

Thanks, Tom

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