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From: Marie Anne Cooper <>
Subject: Re: LONDON-D Digest V98 #302
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:08:26 +1200


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> Subject:
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> LONDON-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 302
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> Today's Topics:
> #1 Re: LEAVING THE LIST []
> #2 Re: LONDON-D Digest V98 #301 [KatCay <>]
> #3 Victorian poetry [RayjudyW <>]
> #4 Re:Deaths of Actors & Actresses in [Ken Annala <>]
> #5 Gold chain maker [Dennis Cooper <]
> #6 BEAVER CLUB []
> #7 LANGLEY []
> #8 These Neighbours of my relatives - ["Melanie and/or Norman Morris" <mm]
> #9 1881 Census Jamaica Rd. [Anthony Cooper <]
> #10 Re: Marriage Licences [ (Stev]
> #11 Cyndi's List - Awesome ["Treacle Beak" <]
> #12 Surname Interests [Kim Ferguson <]
> #13 The King ["Treacle Beak" <]
> #14 Bermondsey Business or?????? [Anthony Cooper <]
> #15 Re: VAUDEVILLE ENTERTAINERS [ (Stev]
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> Subject: Re: LEAVING THE LIST
> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:32:44 -0600 (MDT)
> From:
> To:
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> Alright, someone beat me to it, mentioning Elvis. I was going to say that
> I'm STILL getting teary eyed listening to Elvis and went into mourning
> when he died so can sympathise with the Sinatra followers.
> Just to keep things on topic :-))) I believe the Presleys were originally
> from England and in fact I think I've seen the name on some mailing list.
>
> Whoops I think I'm pushing it here. Gotta go.
> Mad
>
> Perpetually in search of family tree:
> AVIS - Suffolk> London
> ROSEBLADE - Gloucester>Middlesex> London
> WELHAM - Kent> Suffolk
> LANGTHORN - Middlesex
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> Subject: Re: LONDON-D Digest V98 #301
> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:24:33 EDT
> From: KatCay <>
> To:
>
> Hi all!
> I'm looking for the parents of Thomas FitzWalter and Mary Cheny. Thomas
> Fitzwater was born 1643 in Middlesex Co (near London) prob Hanworth, and died
> October 01, 1699 in Philadelphia, PA., USA He married Mary Cheny August 08,
> 1672 in Devonshire House, London, England. She died in route to the American
> on the ship "Welcome". They were married at the Friends Meeting House where
> Thomas and Mary declared their intentions of marriage. Those signing the
> marriage certificate were: John Cheny, John Fittzwalter, George Fitzwalter,
> rich Bland, John Hath, Robert Chankley and Lucretia Cooke.
>
> I'm really at a brick wall trying to find Thomas parents. HELP! Do any of you
> have any suggestions?
>
> I love this group! You all are full of energy and spunk! Too bad everyone
> doesn't appreciate you.
>
> I have lots of Fitzwalter/Fitzwater info for anyone researching this surname
> and would be happy to share.
>
> Thanks,
> Kathy
> Ft Lauderdale, FL, USA
>
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> Subject: Victorian poetry
> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:45:11 EDT
> From: RayjudyW <>
> To:
>
> Am seeking the author of a Victorian poem that begins:
>
> Somewhere in that strange land we call the Past
> Where each of us has laid his treasures by
> My heart has set one day whoe light shall last
> Ever across my life it shines afar
> As thro a storm-tossed sky one glorious star . . .
>
> It was enclosed in a letter written by my grandfather in 1887 so much have
> been written before that. I'm 99.9% positive that my grandfather did not write
> it.
>
> Judy Watten
> northern California
> REBBECK One Name Study
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> Subject: Re:Deaths of Actors & Actresses in UK
> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:54:53 -0700
> From: Ken Annala <>
> To:
>
> My great grandfather, Charles BASS, was born in London in 1803. He and
> his wife came to the U.S. in 1845. He listed his occupation as a
> comedian. In the U.S. he traveled as a Shakespearean actor. He died in
> Canada and I wondered if there was any chance that he could be listed in
> the Who's Who in the Theatre. It seems odd that so many would list
> their occupation as comedian as noted from other queries.
>
> I understand his cousin was William Evans BURTON born 1804 in London.
> He was considerably more well-known and successful in England and the
> U.S. than was Charles BASS. He died in 1860 in New York.
>
> If Kathryn or anyone else has information on either of these men I would
> be most grateful.
>
> Carolyn Annala
> --
> Ken Annala,
>
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> Subject: Gold chain maker
> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:07:15 +1200
> From: Dennis Cooper <>
> To:
>
> Hi Everyone!
>
> 1) My 2xGtGrFather was a gold chain maker in Clerkenwell in the early
> 1800's.
>
> COOPER william married ROBINSON sarah on 13th July 1834. In May 1839
> they lived at 7
> Percival St, Clerkenwell. I know of only one son who was born in May
> 1839.
>
> Is anyone other than myself researching this family ?
>
> 2) If there are any apprenticeship records in existance that relate to
> gold chain makers
>
> where are they likely to be held ?
>
> 3)) Where is historical data that relates to Clerkenwell during the
> early to mid 1800's
>
> held ?
>
> I would be most gratefull for any advice offered.
>
> Have a good day everyone. Dennis Cooper.
>
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> Subject: BEAVER CLUB
> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:00:41 -0700
> From:
> To:
>
> Hello Londoners:
>
> During the second world war my father was stationed in England 1940-1945
> with the Canadian forces.
>
> In some of his personal effects I found the following card.
> THE BEAVER CLUB, London 1940 Spring Gardens. S.W.1, Membership Card,
> Member Signature
>
> Can anyone give me any information about this club and is it still
> active?
>
> Art
>
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> Subject: LANGLEY
> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:01:51 -0700
> From:
> To:
>
> Hello:
>
> I am the new kid on the list; Looking for any LANGLEY, especially those
> that originated in the Sutton Benger area.
>
> Is there a e-mail list for Wiltshire area? I am not on the net.
>
> Art
>
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> Subject: These Neighbours of my relatives - Are they yours?
> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:51:13 -0400
> From: "Melanie and/or Norman Morris" <>
> To:
>
> I thought I would add to the "Neigbours" idea - not sure if I would have
> started it if I'd realized the place where one of my rellies was working was
> a hotel !! :))
>
> Hope this helps someone. 1881 Census
>
> A) Glamorgan, Swansea,
> 1 Orange Street
> Anne Gibbs POWE 56 Head (my relative) Confectioner
> Walter E POWE Son 19 GLA Swansea
> Elizabeth A GREGORY Dau Shopkeeper GLA Swansea
> Edit A GREGORY Gr Dau 3
> Levinia GLEIG 16 Serv SCT Harbroath
>
> 2. Orange Street - Uninhabited
> 3. Orange Street
> Edward Hobbs SMITH Heat 49 Licen Vict GLS Tytherington
> Susan Wife 55
> Emily da 23 dressmaker
> Alfred so 20 Grocer's Asst
> John Duvant son 17 Joiner Apprent
>
> B) Glamorgan Swansea
> 10 Castle Street
>
> John Thomas Hotelkeeper head 55 CHH Llandilo
> Rhys son 21 Carpenter CHH Llandilo
> Annie da 16 - Swansea
> Patty da 14 Swansea
> Harry so 12 Swansea
> Thomas Iltid so 8 USA (Brit. Sub)
> Llewellyn so 6 USA (Brit. Sub)
> Letitia da 2 USA (Brit. Sub)
>
> Hanks Pyers Mosty Boarder 52 Her majesty's + FLN Calcott Hall Hollywell
> Jane Williams visitor 45 PEM Whitechurch
> Jane Harries visit 35 PEM Llanfeirack
> James Davies vist 64 tailor/draper WAL n.k.
> Harry davies vist Farmer WAL n.k.
> Bessie Williams barmaid 23 CHH
> hannah Rees barmaid 29 GLA Kilbebyll
> Lizzie Huggins Serv 23 Waitress Swansea
> Thomas Morgan 18 Waiter HEF Leominster
> Rose Jones 18 Chambermaid Abagavenny
> Charles Blacmore 18 underwaiter DEV Barnstaple
> George Powe ser 18 Under boots - Swansea * mine!
> Ellen Morris 21 Pantry maid GLA Laughor
> Emmie Wheatly 19 Kitchen maid Swansea
> Jane Lewis 19 Housemaid Swansea
> Lizzie Dickson 24 Chambermiad NTT Kampton
> Ann Jones Nurse maid 22 CHH Lladilo
>
> c) Swansea
>
> 5 Mansel Street
> John Gibbs Powe 32 Head Confectioner Swansea
> Elizabeth wife 32 Confectioner Swansea
> Catherine Hughes serv 15
> William H Roberts 7 nephew scholar Middlesborough
>
> 6 Mansel Street
> Matilda Stevens 28 Dressmaker CON Perrenzeblow
> David I so 11 scholar GLA Morriston
> William P LLewelyn Border 33 Annuitant GLA Llangynwyd
>
> 4 Mansel Street
> Ann Williams 72 Lodging House+ Swansea (strange this, because noone else
> listed at the same address - some lodging house!)
>
> I know these are in Glamorgan, but I thought it worth posting to my other
> lists because so many of the people appear to be "strays' Hope noone is
> offended
>
> Regards,
> Mel and Norm Morris, Burlington, Ontario
>
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> Subject: 1881 Census Jamaica Rd.
> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:22:54 -0400
> From: Anthony Cooper <>
> To:
>
> I noticed a few post for census infomation. I have a copy of one for the 1881 census Bermondsey Surrey, Jamaica Rd.
>
> 120 Jamaica Rd. Samuel Smith age 58 stone Mason/ Charlotte Smith age 57
>
> 122 " " George Wainwright 37..Organ Builder
> Emma Wainwright wife 33
> Walter T. " " 13
> Emma M. 11
> Frank " " 7
> Herbert W. 5
> Bertha Clara 3
> Florence 2
> Bessie Isabel 5 mo.
> MAria Harvey mother 54
> Sarah K. Oliver Visitor 45
> Annie F. Abbott Assistant 16 Organ Bulider Assistant
>
> 124 Uninhabited
>
> 126 John Almond 58 Head Builder
> Dorothy Almond 45 wife
> Dorice M. 18
> Mary June 13
> John 11
> Price William 9
> Maria Price mother 76
> Alice Drake 17 Gen Servant
>
> that's it hope it helps someone...tony Cooper
>
> Wainwright,Cooper,Baldi,Hickey,Hurley,Foote.......
>
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> Subject: Re: Marriage Licences
> Date: Sun, 17 May 98 00:19 BST-1
> From: (Steve James)
> To:
>
> In-Reply-To: <>
> Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies
> Mr J Palmer, Northgate, Canterbury Kent CT1 1BA
>
> Steve James
> Supporting the Campaign for Easier and Cheaper Access
> to Older Civil Registration Records in England:
> http://parchment.com/genealogy/pages/campaign/
> E-Mail
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
> Hello Nick,
>
> An index of the marriage licences for 1731-1837 for St. Dunstan is held
> at the Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies. Can't find the
> address at the moment. Can someone else oblige? I should think that
> the Society of Genealogists also has a copy. Where are you?
>
> Debs
>
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> Subject: Cyndi's List - Awesome
> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 09:55:37 -0400
> From: "Treacle Beak" <>
> To:
>
> Hi guys,
> As there seems to be a number of newbies joining the list enquiring about
> what sites are on the net, I thought a reminder to one of THE best sites on
> genealogical links (all 28,500 of them!) is Cyndi's list at
> http://www.cyndislist.com/
> Thanx to everyone for sharing their URL's I have been madly adding them to
> my homepage. What an interesting lot we are.
> Ciao
> Linda
> ICQ8997905
> Pull up a chair, take a load off......
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> List owner: Stirlingshire Surname List
> Plant a name so the list may grow!
> http://www.jeack.com.au/~treaclbk/surnames/stirling.htm
> Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the
> milk......Thoreau
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> Subject: Surname Interests
> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:28:51 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kim Ferguson <>
> To:
>
> ... and now down to business ....
>
> Line, Lincoln, Robertson, Batchelar, Cloutman: LONDON
> Barton, Bushell, Hill, Smith, Stokes, Ward: COVENTRY
> Mayne, Sylvester, Taylor: BER/BUK
> Craven: YORKSHIRE
> Whiteman, Prentice, Grant: SCOTLAND
> Ferguson, Thornton: TN, USA
>
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> Subject: The King
> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:32:44 -0400
> From: "Treacle Beak" <>
> To:
>
> Ted Tann-Watson wrote
> Never mind Elvis Presley, the TRUE King is now dead. 'Bye bye Frankie!
>
> U poor disillusioned soul, Elvis was the King, Frankie was Chairman of the
> Bored, oops Board.
> Linda
> ICQ8997905
> Pull up a chair, take a load off......
> http://www.jeack.com.au/~treaclbk/relatively/speaking.htm
> List owner: Stirlingshire Surname List
> Plant a name so the list may grow!
> http://www.jeack.com.au/~treaclbk/surnames/stirling.htm
> Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the
> milk......Thoreau
>
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> Subject: Bermondsey Business or??????
> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:57:18 -0400
> From: Anthony Cooper <>
> To:
>
> HI all,
> I tried to look up what is on a street in Bermondsey Surrey.(London). And no luck. I was wondering if someone has access to a telephone directory they could help me.
>
> street: 122 Jamaica Rd, Bermondsey (Surrey)
>
> I was told it was a plumbing supply or something to do with plumbing but I had no luck finding it. I do know it was my gg-grandfathers business.... Wainwright Organ., back in 1881 or so.....I was also informed there might still be a plaque on a fence outside this building with the name Wainwright Organ on it...
>
> thanks to whomever can help me....Tony Cooper
>
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> Subject: Re: VAUDEVILLE ENTERTAINERS
> Date: Sun, 17 May 98 02:01 BST-1
> From: (Steve James)
> To:
>
> In-Reply-To: <>
> Vaudeville is a very American term and you would not find any British
> entertainer describing themselves in that way. Music Hall entertainers
> would be the nearest description.
> You could try the following:
> Theatre Museum, 1e Tavistock Street, London WC2E 9PA
> Tel: +44 (0) 171 836 7891/ 9858
> and
> Maunder & Mitchenson Collection
> Tel: +44 (0) 181 658 7725
>
> Good hunting
>
> Steve James
> Researching: JAMES, ROOF, HAYWORTH and BAXTER(London);
> HAYBALL (Somerset); ELLIOTT and MARSDEN(Lancs);
> MORRISON (India and London); MUNDEN(Northampton);
> TOMLIN and SITGRAVE(Leicester)
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
> Hi everyone :
>
> I know this is a subject that has been discussed before but
> I have only just found out that an ancestor of mine and his
> brother had a vaudeville act and I am wondering if there
> is any way I can get more information about them.
>
> I seem to remember someone mentioning a book!
>
> If not then maybe there is a catalogue of entertainers.
>
> They would have been performing during the l860's
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated - from soggy, wet
> dull but till beautiful B.C. - Jean
>
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