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From: Charles and Katherine <>
Subject: GARDYNYR, William and Helen TUDOR ca. 1450-1550
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 21:50:01 +0000


List members: Does anyone know of the following line of William
Gardynyr who married Helen Tudor of the Tudor family? I am searching
for any ancestry or documents verifying the Gardiner lineage that
eventually made its way to the States.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Charles L. Mudd Jr.

1. William Gardynyr, b. ca. 1450 at Midlands, Osfordshire, England,
d. ca. 1495 at The Bank, Surrey, England

    William Gardiner actually signed his name 'William Gardynyr' which
may indicate that he was of
    Welch origin. Why William Gardiner was allowed to marry into the
Royal family remains unclear,
    but historians have hinted that it was because of his aid to Henry
VIII, then Earl of Richmond, in
    defeating Richard III, in the Battle of Bosworth Field, near
Leicester on 22 August 1485. Jean
    Molinet, a Chronicler from Burgundy, covering the battle, described
the scene in this manner.
    (Taken from the book 'The Making of the Tudor Dynasty, by Roger
Thomas) "During the vigorous
    hand-to-hand fighting with axe, sword and pike, both Richard III and
Henry Tudor, each
    surrounded by a vanguard, watched from the side lines, a safe
distance apart. Richard, so confident
    of victory that he was wearing his crown, could observe from a
higher level along the hillside, that
    his own personal vanguard was superior to Henry's and decided to end
the battle quickly by slaying
    Henry Tudor. Sir William Stanley was standing by with an
uncommitted force of 3,000 men, ready to
    rout the losing side. Richard III spurred his horse and in quick
time, with his vanguard, engaged
    Henry in combat. As Richard went for Henry to deliver his mortal
blow, one of Henry's men, a
    Welsh halberdier, intervened, knocking off Richard's Crown, then
giving one mighty swing,
    smashed Richard's helmet into his skull. Seeing that their leader
was slain, his vanguard began to
    withdraw and immediately Sir William Stanley ordered his men after
Richard's fleeing troops, thus
    ending the Battle in Henry's favor'. Richard's Crown was recovered
from a thornbush and later
    placed on the head of Henry Tudor who then proclaimed himself King
of England. This act of
    slaying Henry's adversary in an otherwise losing situation was the
most important single effort in
    the making of the Tudor dynasty, and thus allowed the marriage of
William Gardiner, believed to be
    the Welsh halberdier, to Helen Tudor a few months later.
(SOURCE: Gardiner Generations &
    Relations, Vol. I, by Richard Thomas Gardiner.)

Spouse: Helen Tudor, b. ca. 1455 at England

    Helen Tudor, according to Burke's Peerage, was the daughter of
Jasper Tudor which would make her
    first cousin of Henry VII. Henry's father, Edmund Tudor, was listed
as brother of Jasper. (SOURCE:
    Gardiner Generations & Relations, Vol. 1 Gardiner Generations, by
Thomas Richard Gardiner, page
    xix.)

    Married 1485 at London, England.

Children and grandchildren:

  1 2. Richard Gardiner (5), b. 1486 at London, England, d. 1548 at
London, England

  2 3. William Gardiner, b. 1488 at Hertfordshire, England, m. Elizabeth
Mitchell, 1520 at England,
    d. 1549 at Grange, Bermondsey, Surrey, England; 2 grandchildren

  3 6. Steven Gardiner, b. 1490 at Holborn, London, England, d. 12
November 1555 at Whitehall,
    Southwark, Surrey, England


2. Richard Gardiner (5), b. 1486 at London, England, d. 1548 at London,
England

    Father: 1. William Gardynyr, b. ca. 1450 at Midlands, Osfordshire,
England, d. ca. 1495 at The Bank,
    Surrey, England
    Mother: Helen Tudor, b. ca. 1455 at England


3. William Gardiner, b. 1488 at Hertfordshire, England, d. 1549 at
Grange, Bermondsey, Surrey, England

    Father: 1. William Gardynyr, b. ca. 1450 at Midlands, Osfordshire,
England, d. ca. 1495 at The Bank,
    Surrey, England
    Mother: Helen Tudor, b. ca. 1455 at England

Spouse: Elizabeth Mitchell, b. at Yorkshire, England, d. at Bermondsey,
Surrey, England

    Married 1520 at England.

Children and grandchildren:

  1 4. Richard Gardiner (7), b. 1520 at London, England, m. Elizabeth ?,
d. 1557 at Surrey, England

  2 5. Esquire William Gardiner, b. 16 August 1531 at Bermondsey,
Surrey, England, m. Frances
    Luce, 7 June 1558 at St. Mary Magdalene Church, Bermondsey, Surrey,
England, m. Margaret
    Roderey, 27 May 1582, d. 26 November 1597 at Bermondsey, Surrey,
England; 6 grandchildren


4. Richard Gardiner (7), b. 1520 at London, England, d. 1557 at Surrey,
England

    Father: 3. William Gardiner, b. 1488 at Hertfordshire, England,
d. 1549 at Grange, Bermondsey,
    Surrey, England
    Mother: Elizabeth Mitchell, b. at Yorkshire, England, d. at
Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Spouse: Elizabeth ?

    Married.


5. Esquire William Gardiner, b. 16 August 1531 at Bermondsey, Surrey,
England, d. 26 November 1597 at Bermondsey, Surrey, England

    Father: 3. William Gardiner, b. 1488 at Hertfordshire, England,
d. 1549 at Grange, Bermondsey,
    Surrey, England
    Mother: Elizabeth Mitchell, b. at Yorkshire, England, d. at
Bermondsey, Surrey, England

    Like the two Williams before him, this William Gardiner was a very
wealthy man. His will provided
    that his tenants (there were literally hundreds of them) would own
their homes, free of
    encumberance, upon his death. He was also credited with financing
Sir Walter Raleigh's, Roanoke
    Colony, in VA in 1592 to the tune of six thousand punds sterling, or
about 3.5 million dollars in
    today's world. Shortly after he was first married he came upon a
teen-ager, named William
    Shakespeare in the act of poaching a pet deer on his father-in-law's
estate near London. William
    Shakespear's father was doing some legal work for robert Luce at the
time, and William was
    enjoying 'self-proclaimed hunting privileges' while his father was
employed. William Gardiner
    happened to be the local Justice at the time and sentenced him to
three moderate lashes at the
    whipping post, at the recomendation of his father, John
Shakespeare. William Shakespeare,
    although revered for his acting and writing ability in later life,
was a troublesome, headstrong
    child, of whom his father had apparently lost control. William
Shakespeare, while an actor, had
    some differences with William Gardiner over some operational matters
in the theatrical business,
    which led to Shakespeare's protrayal of William Gardiner as an
unsavor character, Justice of
    Shallow, in the Merry Wives of Windsor. As late as the twentieth
century an unknown writer, Leslie
    Hotson attempted to make a few bucks in resurecting this fued in a
book entitled 'Shakespear Vs.
    Shallow', coming down very hard on the side of Shakespeare. His
slander is so intense that it
    becomes an aborted comedy, not worth the time to read.

Spouse: Frances Luce, b. at London, England, d. 1576

    Married 7 June 1558 at St. Mary Magdalene Church, Bermondsey,
Surrey, England.

Children and grandchildren:

  1 Christopher Gardiner, b. 1563 at Dorking & Haling, Croydon, Surrey
Co., England, d. December
    1596 at Dorking & Haling, Croydon, Surrey Co., England, m. Elizabeth
Onslow, 3 March 1619/20; 4
    grandchildren

  2 Sir Thomas Gardiner, b. 17 March 1563/4 at Bermondsey, Surrey,
England, m. Ellyn Smyth, 1
    February 1583/4, d. 10 October 1632 at Basing, Peckham, Surrey,
England; 4 grandchildren

  3 Anne Gardiner (2), b. 1565 at Bermondsey, Surrey, England

  4 Katherine Gardiner, b. 1 April 1565 at St. Mary Magdalene Church,
Bermondsey, Surrey,
    England, d. at Westminster, London, England, m. John Stepkin, 18
December 1481 at St. Mary
    Magdalene Church, Bermondsey, Surrey, England, m. Nicholas Smyth, 23
June 1585

  5 Richard Gardiner (4), b. 1569 at Bermondsey, Surrey, England, d. May
1591 at Bermondsey,
    Surrey, England

  6 Sir William Gardiner, b. 1570 at Bermondsey, Surrey, England,
m. Mary Yelverton, 16 June 1597
    at St. Mary Magdalene Church, Bermondsey, Surrey, England, d. 16
February 1621/2 at Lagham,
    Surrey, England

Spouse: Margaret Roderey

    Married 27 May 1582.


6. Steven Gardiner, b. 1490 at Holborn, London, England, d. 12 November
1555 at Whitehall, Southwark, Surrey, England

    Father: 1. William Gardynyr, b. ca. 1450 at Midlands, Osfordshire,
England, d. ca. 1495 at The Bank,
    Surrey, England
    Mother: Helen Tudor, b. ca. 1455 at England


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