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From: Eileen Spender <>
Subject: Re: LONDON-D Digest V00 #729
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:05:27 -0600
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> LONDON-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 729
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> Today's Topics:
> #1 Whitesmith - thanks ["Linda Newell" <]
> #2 Re: Please ! A lookup on the 1881 []
> #3 Batch number. []
> #4 Census 1851 & 1861 Look-up Please ["Robin Bengeyfield" <robin.bengeyf]
> #5 Fw: Tin Plate maker ["chris" <]
> #6 Islington cockney? ["Jan & Bob" <]
> #7 Lookup on 1871 census [June & Robert Evans <]
> #8 Boarding schools for boys l860s an [June & Robert Evans <]
> #9 PARSONS - TYLER - YORK - MACEY []
> #10 Rainsfor / Sterling / Parker []
> #11 STAGEMAN This is war! ["Ian Shillinglaw" <]
> #12 Re: Edmonton Cemetery ["Peter L Kessler" <]
> #13 Certificates ["Peter L Kessler" <]
> #14 GRO REGISTRATION DISTRICTS AND ARE []
> #15 Commonwealth Graves Site []
> #16 Re: Bow Bells ["ivytrott" <>]
> #17 Responses to requests ["Jane Jones" <]
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> Subject: Whitesmith - thanks
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:44:57 +0100
> From: "Linda Newell" <>
> To:
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> Many thanks for the incredibly fast response to my query regarding the
> occupation of whitesmith.
>
> For those who responded also wanting to know - the general view is a worker
> in tin, pewter or zinc, the "white" metals. Patricia in Sydney, whose
> G-G-grandfather was a whitesmith, wrote "Whitesmiths made such things as
> fancy designed fences, gates, possibly the old fashioned fancy ceilings and
> archways in houses. I suppose you could call them an Iron Craftsman."
>
> Also, thanks to Arlene who came up with a different website for ordering
> certificates http://www.abbots.org
>
> Regards,
> Linda
>
> CUNNINGHAM, GODDARD, LANE - London
> SHERRY - London and Shropshire
> SOUTHGATE - Norfolk
> MAYBERRY, GRIMES, BOYD in N.Ireland
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> Subject: Re: Please ! A lookup on the 1881 census
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:08:07 EDT
> From:
> To:
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> Julie this is the only Henrietta Worthy I found on the 1881.
>
> christine
> Oregon USA = Cloudy
>
> Dwelling: 23 Hamilton Ter
> Census Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
> Source: FHL Film 1341855 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3574 Folio 91
> Page 24
> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> George WORTHY M 45 M Taunton, Somerset, England
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Engineer Machinest (E & M)
> Emlin WORTHY M 40 F Huntspill, Somerset, England
> Rel: Wife
> Walter WORTHY U 15 M Burnham, Somerset, England
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Railway Shunter
> William WORTHY U 14 M Chippenham, Wiltshire, England
> Rel: Son
> Henrietta WORTHY U 7 F Bhead, Cheshire, England
> Rel: Daur
> Frederick WORTHY U 4 M Bhead, Cheshire, England
> Rel: Son
> Arthur WORTHY U 1 M Bhead, Cheshire, England
> Rel: Son
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> Subject: Batch number.
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:12:34 EDT
> From:
> To:
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> Does anyone have a batch number for St. Georges Hanover Sq.?
>
> thanks
> christine
> Oregon USA = Cloudy
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> Subject: Census 1851 & 1861 Look-up Please
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:17:27 +0100
> From: "Robin Bengeyfield" <>
> To:
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> Hi List
> Could someone who has the 1851 and/or 1861 census for Westminster(St John the Evangelist) for occupants of 4 Vincent Place, Frederick Street,
>
> I would appreciate any help
> Thank you kindly
>
> Regards
> Robin
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> Subject: Fw: Tin Plate maker
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:26:39 +0100
> From: "chris" <>
> To:
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> > Hi everyone
> > My G grandfather was a Tin Plate Maker now I guess he did not make tin
> > plates what would he have made!! Also he was born in STEPNEY and lived in
> > ISLINGTON and LEWISHAM does anyone know where his place of work would have
> > been ?
> > One more question is STEPNEY near the Old Artilliary Ground ?
> > Chris G
> >
> >
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> Subject: Islington cockney?
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:18:21 +0100
> From: "Jan & Bob" <>
> To: "ivytrott" <>, <>,
> <>
>
> Ivy, I wouldn't have thought that Islington folk counted as true cockneys!
> And, even if they did once, they certainly wouldn't like to be considered so
> now that it's become so 'gentrified'!
> Jan Hill (from the East End and therefore a 'true' cockney!)
> Researching; WINGATE, PRICE, MULDOON, PRENDERGAST (all London)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ivytrott <>
> To: <>;
> <>
> Date: 28 April 2000 04:20
> Subject: Re: LONDON-D Digest V00 #723
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> >I was born at home at 4 Dame Street, Islington. Does that make me a
> >Cockney? My father always proudly said it did! We moved out of London
> long
> >before the bombing.
> >
> >Ivy Trott, now transplanted completely to South Africa!
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <>
> >To: <>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:14 PM
> >Subject: LONDON-D Digest V00 #723
> >
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> Subject: Lookup on 1871 census
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:41:03 -0500
> From: June & Robert Evans <>
> To:
>
> Hello all listers, writing to you from Louisiana on a beautiful spring
> day. Would some very kind soul please assist me in looking up the
> 1871 census for #48 Sydenham Park, Lewisham, Kent and see who resided
> at this address and whatever information is available, can't seem to
> find members of Dr. Jones' family. Thanking you in advance for your
> help. June
>
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> Subject: Boarding schools for boys l860s and universities
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:51:18 -0500
> From: June & Robert Evans <>
> To:
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> Would like to obtain boarding schools' locations to check census for
> great uncles. Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
> tia June Louisiana
>
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> Subject: PARSONS - TYLER - YORK - MACEY
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:43:19 EDT
> From:
> To:
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> Information about any of the persons named below, or contact with anyone
> researching same names anywhere, would be welcomed.
>
> Louisa Parsons born Leighton Buzzard
> mother Mary believed to be formerly Chamberlain
> father Joseph a Blacksmith
> married Alfred Macey in Kilburn 1891
>
> ______________________________________
>
> Martha Tyler born 1836 City Road, Islington
> father John, mother Mary
> Married Sidney Macey July 1858 at islington parish Church
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> ________________________________________
>
> Mary York born Ealing October 1839
> father James from Colchester
> mother Harriet Phillips of Mitcham
>
> married Edward Macey at Islington
> died April 1888 at Chiswick
>
> nr. Colchester, Essex. UK
> researching all things Macey / Macy / Rainsford / Tombs anywhere
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> Subject: Rainsfor / Sterling / Parker
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:43:24 EDT
> From:
> To:
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> help is required to find further information about:-
>
> Ann Sterling. born 1822 in Clerkenwell, gave birth to a son George on 13th.
> Jan. 1851 at Clerkenwell Workhouse in Coppice Row
> Apparently she arrived the day she went into labour and left on 1st.
> February after the death of the child
> At time of entry to the WH she registered as Ann Rainsford
>
> The death of the child was registered in which she named the father as James
> Rainsford, Fishing Tackle maker and herself as Ann Rainsford formerly
> Sterling Her address at the time was 33 Bowling Green Lane
> In the census of that same year (1851) she was listed as an unmarried
> dressmaker aged 29 living with her 60 year old widowed mother and 22 year old
> sister who was a music pupil
>
> She married James Rainsford june 10th same year at St. Pancras Church,
> father John Sterling, witness was Eliza Sterling (the sister ?) at marriage
> both she and James were said to be living at Liverpool st.
>
> I have no further information beyond those dates and would welcome any
> information that can be offered.
>
> nr. Colchester, Essex. UK
> researching all things Macey / Macy / Rainsford / Tombs anywhere
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> Subject: STAGEMAN This is war!
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:00:41 +0100
> From: "Ian Shillinglaw" <>
> To:
>
> Sorry if you've seen this on the middx list but I am determined to find these STAGEMAN 's in the 51 census.
> Please if you have any 51 indexes for
> CAMBERWELL
> MARYLEBONE
> ST PANCRAS
> ANY SOUTHWARK
> SHOREDITCH
> Or indeed any 51 indexes at all could you see if you have any.
> Thanks
> katy
>
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> Subject: Re: Edmonton Cemetery
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:21:59 +0100
> From: "Peter L Kessler" <>
> To:
>
> Hi All
>
> Many thanks to everyone who replied to my query regarding Edmonton Cemetery. Thanks especially to Helen for providing an alternative phone number. On the board at the cemetery gates this is listed as the registrar's number, so I had avoided it before.
>
> On the first try yesterday the phone rang and rang until I gave up. Today I got another answerphone message! The office is closed until Tuesday (Monday is a Bank Holiday in England.
>
> I guess I'll just have to keep trying.
>
> Best wishes
> Peter L Kessler
>
>
> Researching: KESSLER, ALLEN, BAILEY, BARKER, KING, MAY, MUSGROVE, NYE, SARGEANT, SHARP, SKIP(P) & WEIGHT of London, plus JONES & MARSTON of Devon.
>
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> Subject: Certificates
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:24:43 +0100
> From: "Peter L Kessler" <>
> To:
>
> Hello Gilroy
>
> It's not just you. About two months ago I sent off a couple of orders for birth certificates from the ONS. One arrived about a week and-a-half later. The other one didn't, and after a couple of weeks I emailed to ask why.
>
> The reply was basically one of "whoops, missed that one, will get onto it right away." When I wrote this message last night I was still waiting to see the results. As life would have it, my second certificate arrived this morning, and it contained some very interesting information, so the wait was worth it.
>
> Best regards
> Peter Kessler
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gilroy <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 1:38 AM
> Subject: Certificates
>
> Is it just me ,or are other people experiencing a considerable delay when ordering certificates by e mail from the Office of National Statistics ( ONS )?
>
> I have now waited 8 weeks and sent various e mails asking where they are, only to be told that they haven't photocopied them yet!!!!
>
> Worried!!
>
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> Subject: GRO REGISTRATION DISTRICTS AND AREAS COVERED
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:34:48 EDT
> From:
> To:
>
> Hello all,
> I am re-re subscribing after 2 nasty virus scares, and some long down time so
> the Tech doctors could install a new mother board and some other stuff. Let's
> hope all this works.
> I am still looking for the elusive HUTCHINGS from somewhere in the UK, I made
> contact with the ones in B'ham, Warks. it's the others that are hiding....
> Since I do not know the town or county of these relatives, I went by the
> birth dates of two of them and went to the FHC and ordered the quarters for
> the first one which was 1893, I am hampered by the use of nick names, the
> only given, being the surname.
> The fiche that I ordered was barely legible and no amount of magnification or
> brightness of light made it better. I have bits and pieces of 'districts'
> and until I can decipher these I cannot pin down the actual birth town,or
> county.
>
> My question is: Is this the best way to get at the info. I need. or is there
> a magic wand or mystical magic words to use to enter the GRO records for this
> info. other than these fiche????????
>
> Since the 2 dates are 1893 and 1890 and I do not know the parents, both the
> 51 and 81 census are useless in this case. They do not appear on the IGI nor
> the ancestral file of the LDS files.
>
> My apologies to all in duplication as I am posting this on the Warwick and
> Sussex list. We have some great minds out there.
> Thanks for the time you spent reading this. It is appreciated.
>
> Most sincerely;
> Del Staskiel
> USA
>
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> Subject: Commonwealth Graves Site
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:02:38 EDT
> From:
> To:
>
> The address is www.cwgc.org. This site shows those who died during the two
> Wars, certainly military and I think also civilian.
>
> Sandie
>
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> Subject: Re: Bow Bells
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:23:53 +0200
> From: "ivytrott" <>
> To: <>
> CC: <>
>
> Hi again! Well, I started with a London accent, then we moved to Kent and I
> mixed the two up, then we came to South Africa, and now I am not fish, fowl
> nor good red herring! I'm dashed if I know if the wind was blowing towards
> Islington at 7.30a.m. on July 10, 1926, but I hope it was ...... Thanks
> for all the messages from so many listers. I really can't answer them all,
> but it is fun to see how you all care! Go well. Ivy.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 10:45 AM
> Subject: Bow Bells
>
> > Dear Ivy
> > We seem to have caught up again on the London circuit. My mother was born
> in
> > Leytonstone and she reconded she was a Cockney because the wind was
> blowing
> > in the right direction. The saying is that you have to be born in the
> sound
> > of Bow bells to be a Cockney. My grandmother certainly was - she even had
> a
> > slight Cockney accent!
> > Best wishes
> > Ann
>
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> Subject: Responses to requests
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:24:28 -0000
> From: "Jane Jones" <>
> To:
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> I already posted my thanks for the help that I received from some kind souls
> with my IGI query.
> I notice tonight someone was asking what the IGI is!
> I have replied to the person direct & hope that she does not receive the
> same tone of responses as was contained in some of the mail I received.
> It is very off putting to people new to this to receive mail that implies
> they are lacking in intelligence or have failed to read up on something
> before posting. The idea is surely that we help each other & if you have
> only just joined a list how can be expected to know what has been on it
> previously?
> I wasn't going to bother to post this as I put it down to experience but
> felt it may encourage others not to be put off trying to get started!
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