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From: "John Henley" <>
Subject: Re: [Lon] JAMES CHOYCE WHERE ARE YOU
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:43:22 -0000
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Hi Betty,
----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Choyce" <>
> I'm still trying to find the names of the parents of JAMES CHOYCE,
born
> 5 Nov 1777 in the Finchley suburb of London.
> James had six siblings so they should have created a blip on the IGI
> printout. However, I have not been able to find them.

Some random thoughts, which may or may not help:-)
1] What is your source for his birth-date and place?
2] Finchley in 1777 is just a small village in Middlesex. some miles from
London.
3] The only Church of England church was St.Mary's: The registers may or may
not have been filmed by the LDS (have you checked the on]line Library
Catalogue?), entries from it may be on the IGI, but sometimes there are
gaps.You need to check the [film of the] register if you can.
4] There were no other chapels &c, and reportedly only 4 0r 5 presbyterians
and a few more Methodists in 1790.
5] He/they may not have been baptised locally or late or not at all.
Cheers

John Henley
(still catching up on masses of emails )
researching (and not finding much time for - but always very glad to hear of
any)
HENLEY, PARKER, PRENTICE, SECKER, RAPER, DURDEN
[IN London/Middx./Essex/Suffolk]
ROLFE, (O)RAFFERTY, EVANS, PARSONS, SYMONDS [IN Berks/Hants/Wilts]
HILL [IN Staffs/Cambs/Berks]


> I contacted the PRO in London who suggested that his family may have
> been dissenters. If that were the case, they may be listed with Dr.
> William's Library, which the PRO says is not available through the IGI.
> Could SKS tell me how to access Dr. William's Library's records?
Perhaps
> I could find the entire family there. That would be a plum after 25 plus
> years of looking.
> Living in hopes.
> Betty Choyce Sheehan
> www.bettychoyce.com
> Florida, USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RISD E-mail Enquiry Service <>
> To: 'Betty Choyce' <>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:39 AM
> Subject: SR/RE: BIRTH RECORD FOR 1777
>
>
> > Dear Mrs Choyce
> >
> > Thank you for contacting the Public Record Office.
> >
> > Records of Births, Marriages and Deaths Before 1837
> >
> > The Genealogical Society of Utah has compiled an International
> Genealogical
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> baptisms
> > and marriages throughout the world. The latest editions, for 1993 with
> 1997
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> particular
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periods
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> history
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> > record offices and reference libraries. References in the IGI to events
in
> > England and Wales before 1837 will be to parish registers (kept locally)
> or
> > to non-parochial (usually non-conformist) registers, kept at the PRO and
> > also available at the
> > Family Records Centre.
> >
> > Since 1538 clergy of the Anglican Church in England and in Wales have
kept
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> office
> > will be able to advise on their present whereabouts. The addresses of
> > offices are included in Record Repositories in Great Britain (10th edn,
> > 1997), and in Record Offices: How to Find Them, by J Gibson and P
Peskett
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> Atlas
> > and Index of Parish Registers, edited by C Humphery-Smith
> > (2nd edn, Chichester, 1995), lists parishes before 1832 county by
county,
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> Centre
> > nor the Public Record Office holds any parish registers.
> >
> > A number of non-parochial registers of chapels and congregations outside
> the
> > Anglican Church were deposited with the Registrar General in the
> nineteenth
> > century. Microfilm copies of these, covering the period 1567-1970, can
be
> > seen at the Family Records Centre and at the Public Record Office, in RG
4
> > and RG 8. Very few registers extend beyond 1837, and they are
> predominantly
> > those of Protestant dissenters, though some north-country Roman Catholic
> > records, and registers of Foreign Protestant
> > congregations in England and Wales are included.
> >
> > The IGI contains entries from registers in RG 4. The local record
office
> or
> > denominational headquarters should be able to advise on the whereabouts
of
> > other dissenters' records. If you are having no luck with chapel
> registers,
> > try the birth registrations in the
> > Protestant Dissenters' Registry (sometimes called Dr Williams's
Library).
> > This was set up in 1742 for Baptists, Congregationalists and
> Presbyterians.
> > A similar, Metropolitan Registry was established for Wesleyan Methodists
> in
> > 1818. The records of both are indexed, contain births which occurred
> before
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> overseas.
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> IGI.
> >
> >
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of
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> > around London during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, before
> being
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> > > ----------
> > > From: Betty Choyce[SMTP:]
> > > Sent: 04 December 2001 21:33
> > > To: RISD E-mail Enquiry Service
> > > Subject: BIRTH RECORD FOR 1777
> > >
> > > Dear Sir or Madam,
> > > I would like to obtain a full copy of the birth record for:
> > > JAMES CHOYCE, born 5 Nov 1777, in the London suburb of FINCHLEY.
> > > Can I do this through the Internet using a credit card?
> > > Thank you for your time and consideration.
> > > Mrs. Betty Choyce Sheehan
> > >
> > > Mailing address:
> > > POB 92582
> > > Lakeland, Florida, 33804-2582
> > > USA
> > >
> >
> >
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