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From: Audrey Johnson <>
Subject: [Lon] Searching (London) PAULING & HALL
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:48:48 +0100 (BST)
In-Reply-To: <200204210045.g3L0jhX24947@lists5.rootsweb.com>


Hi to all listers,
I am trying to get started on searching for grandparents PAULING & HALL. I dont have much to go on but do know they come from SE London. Help and advice please!

Thanks to anyone that can help.













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LONDON-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 827

Today's Topics:
#1 Re: [Lon] adoptions and secrets et [Eve McLaughlin #2 Re: [Lon] SHEFFIELD DIRECTORY - WI [Eve McLaughlin #3 Re: [Lon] History on Line [Eve McLaughlin #4 Re: [Lon] Baseborn [Eve McLaughlin #5 Re: [Lon] Marylebone [Eve McLaughlin #6 Re: [Lon] Elusive Marriage ALMOND [Eve McLaughlin #7 [Lon] 1851 and 1861 fiche [Eve McLaughlin #8 Re: [Lon] Mrs.Jemima MILES circa 1 [Eve McLaughlin #9 [Lon] Re: LONDON-D Digest V02 #824 ["Judith" ]
#10 RE: [Lon] Newspapers in Walthamsto ["Frances Peacock" #11 Re: [Lon] Re: Lookup 1891 census - [Eve McLaughlin #12 [Lon] will index for London 1882 []
#13 RE: [Lon] Naming children ["Diana Robinson" #14 RE: [Lon] Naming children ["Diana Robinson"
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______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:28:08 +0100
From: Eve McLaughlin
To:
Subject: Re: [Lon] adoptions and secrets etc

In message <002e01c1e798$09a5f180$>, "k.mackay2"
writes
>I have another story which I would like some advice on. My grandfather died
>in 1921 and six months after his death my grandmother had a son Frederick
>Filer. My mother was 11 at the time and there were 5 other children, the
>eldest 15. Although my mother (when she was alive and my grandmother) told
>us about my mothers two little sisters who had died no mention was ever made
>of Frederick. None of the remaining (distant) family seem to know of him.
>I have carried out a 10 year death search and there is no record. Would
>Frederick have been adopted (1922). This happened in Canning Town, West
>Ham. Where would I look to find out what has happened to Frederick?
The child was conceived during the currency of the marriage so was
probably legiitmate. However, a woiman left with 6 young children could
not easily have coped with another new-born, so very likely, she was
pressured into letting him be adopted. There were a lot of couples then
who could not produce their own, because the husband had been gassed in
the war (or otherwise injured), so middle class couples were ready and
willing to take babies. There was no formal adoption- the church would
probably have arranged it - and every tie with the natural parents would
be cut.
The alternative is that the baby was taken into care by e.g.
Barnardos. or one of the other orphan societies. Barnarados have their
own and some of the other records, and do answer queries, but there is a
huge backlog, and they deal first with 'known' Barnado boys, rather than
speculative queries.
One possibility is that a family member without children adopted the
baby - worth a rummage round the Filer family for that.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:31:49 +0100
From: Eve McLaughlin
To:
Subject: Re: [Lon] SHEFFIELD DIRECTORY - WILKINSON


>
>I have some ancestors living in the Sheffield area. Their names are
>WILKINSON and GREAVES. Joseph was possibly a Silversmith I think in
>South Street around that time and the GREAVES were Scissorsmiths.

Wilkinson is a famous name in Sheffield cutlery (Wilkinson Sword razors
and implements) BUT it is also a popular one and yours might not be
closely related, or related at all. However, a silversmith should be
listed in directories and a bit of work on censuses and registers may
establish a link.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:36:36 +0100
From: Eve McLaughlin
To:
Subject: Re: [Lon] History on Line


The NSW State Library
>have had Palmers Index to The Times CD for a while
>as I used it several times late last year. They
>have originals of The Gentlemans magerzines from
>1731 thru to 1907. They also have alot of Harts
>Army Lists from 1814 to 1915 BUT series not
>complete . Also Navy Lists from 1833 to current
>.
This is very useful to know about, Marg.
So often, i recommend a source and people say 'oh, but I can't see that
in Australia'.
It would be really if someone could post what is available in e.g.
Perth Brisbane, Melbourne, Tassie etc
--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of Marg - this is very useful to know about, since so often, I suggest a
source and people say -But i can't see that in Australia.
Can the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:03:24 +0100
From: Eve McLaughlin
To:
Subject: Re: [Lon] Baseborn

In message <002601c1e7dd$38b8ac20$>, James Duly
writes
>Can a knowledgeable lister explain what is baseborn. I found a baptism on a
>parish register which after the childs name was the word baseborn.
Illegitimate - the parents were not married

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:49:15 +0100
From: Eve McLaughlin
To:
Subject: Re: [Lon] Marylebone


>Is the accepted pronunciation of the above something like
>MARLEBON? I'm never sure on this one.
yes, with a very tiny fragment of an i, between r and l, if you are
pedeantic (like me) MAHR(i)LI- BONE

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:07:39 +0100
From: Eve McLaughlin
To:
Subject: Re: [Lon] Elusive Marriage ALMOND & WEST

In message ,
Frances Peacock writes
>Dear fellow listers,
>I am tearing my hair out looking for this one! Can anyone offer any
>suggestions on finding a marriage which I have scoured the FRC Indexes for
>three times without success.
>
>The couple I am look for are Susanna(h) ALMOND a

Try Halmond, Armon, Harman, Hammond, Amon, etc. Almond is one of the
very frequently altered names, when everything was phonetic. If there is
only a single entry for Joshus West, go dor that certificarte and be
surprised. You could, if you wished, specify 'only if wife's name
susannah, Susanna, Susan,. Suzan or any variant.'
>nd Joshua WEST, probably
>married between 1866-1870.
>Susannah was born in 1850 in Islington, and Joshua was born 1843 in
>Kingsland, Middx.
>Their eldest child, Frederick, was born 28 June 1870 in Poplar, Middx. His
>birth certificate and that of his sister's are very clear about their
>mother's 'former' surname.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:49:48 +0100
From: Eve McLaughlin
To:
Subject: [Lon] 1851 and 1861 fiche

In message <>, writes
>Hi List Readers
>Do you know where I can purchase microfiche of the
>1851 and 1861 London and or Middlesex census?

PRO Reprographic Dept, Ruskin Ave, Kew TW4 9DU. The minimum purtchase is
a sub district. Get a quote and be warned that asking for e.g. 'Lambeth'
would be several sub districts and could run you into 4 pounds or so.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 9 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:48:18 +0100
From: Eve McLaughlin
To:
Subject: Re: [Lon] Mrs.Jemima MILES circa 1788 - 1822+


>Have you come accross any entry's for Mrs.Jemima MILES, wife of Thomas
>MILES, living at Green Street, St.George's, Hanover Square ?
>
>Thomas died in 1821, and recorded in St.George's burial registers,
leaving >his property to Jemima for her lifetime.

Although the family are in the willmaking classes, she might not have
property to leave, since there is likely to be a reversion after her
death to whoever is named in his will. However, if she has any
independent personal bits and pieces, she may after all make a will,
which is worth trying, and proved in the same court (?PCC, which if
after 1840, will be on line from PRO for 3 GBP, fee index)
>
>Jemima MILES (nee BEDELL) came from Hempstead, Nassau, U.S.A. and married
>Thomas in London in 1788.
She may, of course have returned there, or remarried if there was no
penalty clause in the will for doing so. She did not remarry in St
George's Hanover Sqaure 1821-37, because I have checked the registers

>
>Any ideas or thoughts on sources to check would be much appreciated.
The Court section of any subsequent directory published, until she
vanishes. The wills 1840+ index. Rating records (? at Westminster
Archives)

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 10 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:52:04 -0700
From: "Judith"
To:
Subject: [Lon] Re: LONDON-D Digest V02 #824

There is a naming pattern in Scotland, but a bit different from the one you
describe. First born son was ofter named for the paternal grandfather; 2nd
son after the maternal grandfather; 3rd son after the father. Daughters
were named similarly=== 1st born for the father's mother, 2nd for mother's,
3rd for mother...

In the 19th century, middle names only became common in the latter part of
the century and they often reflected connections through female lines---
maternal maiden name, paternal mother's maiden name, etc. I have noticed
the use of "family" names among my English ancestors, which usually include
grandmothers & grandfathers, sometimes uncles & aunts, but I cannot say I
have noticed a specific pattern...

Judith in Ohio, USA

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 11 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:52:04 +0100
From: "Frances Peacock"
To:
Subject: RE: [Lon] Newspapers in Walthamstow

Hi Barry,

Have a look at this website for the British Library Newspaper Library at
Colindale. Tells you how to get a Reader's Ticket to research the papers,
and you can also find out what newspapers they have for Walthamstow.
www.bl.uk/collections/manuscripts/

Frances,
Enfield, Middx.

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 12 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:56:55 +0100
From: Eve McLaughlin
To:
Subject: Re: [Lon] Re: Lookup 1891 census - SAWYER

In message <001f01c1e827$ac88ce60$>, Jason & Carole
writes
>Hi Deirdre,
>No Harlescott Rd listed on the Lewisham street index on the 1891 Census DVD's.
Beacuse it is in |Nunhead and was built a couple of years later, if I
remember rightly.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 13 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:10:33 EDT
From:
To:
Subject: [Lon] will index for London 1882

Dear List Readers

Where might I find a will for
William Morrell TOLKIEN who died at
3 Pavilion Place, Chiswick, Middlesex.
16 March 1882 ??

Regards from Judith in Cardiff

______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 14 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:41:02 -0400
From: "Diana Robinson"
To:
Subject: RE: [Lon] Naming children

I received this formula from another list a while ago. Hope it is of
use though I cannot know whether it is indeed accurate. I don't think
anyone argued with it, which is hopeful . Diana Robinson

Naming Order of Children

English and Welsh, 1700 - 1879.

First daughter - named after the mother's mother (maternal grandmother)

Second daughter - named after the mother's father's mother

Third daughter - named after the mother

Fourth daughter - named after the mother's oldest sister

First son - named after the father's father

Second son was named after the mother's father

Third son named after the father

Fourth son - named after the father's eldest brother.

Exceptions apply if there was a duplication of a given name. In that
case the practice was to skip to the next name on the list.



-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:01 PM
To:
Subject: [Lon] Naming children

Dear Listers,
Would anyone who knows please tell me in what order - if any - a
person's children would be named after a couple's parents? Was there a
common formula?
To make it clear (!? :)),
If a couple had a son, would they give him the father's father's name
first and then the mother's father's name as a second name? Or the other
way round?
If they had a girl would they give her the father's mother's name first
and then her mother's name as a second name or the other way around?
Guessing you're as confused as me but hoping for help :)
Thank you,
Maria.

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______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 15 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:42:24 -0400
From: "Diana Robinson"
To:
Subject: RE: [Lon] Naming children

I should add that the formula I sent in a few minutes ago mentioned that
it was used in England and Wales.

Diana Robinson


-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Mason [mailto:]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 5:14 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [Lon] Naming children

Hello Maria
This is how we used to do it here in the Black Country in the West
Midlands:

1st son after Father's Father
2nd son after Mother's Father
3rd son after Father

1st dau after Mother's Mother
2nd dau after Father's Mother
3rd dau after Mother

I should imagine that there are regional variations.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Linda
......We are not always what we seem to be......
Researching: Cooke(e) Mason Plant Keys Miller Broster Walton Dunn
Rastall
Smith

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